what did he do all game yesterday apart from gift the aussies a couple of tries and give some of the worst passes i have ever seen.

Due to the fact Tony Smiths one of a number of inexcusable blunders not to select Rob Burrow in the squad means that unfortuatley we have to stick with McGuire. Burrow should be at number 7 Tomkins at 6 and Eastmond at 3. McGuire isnt International class and will never be whilst Ive got a hole in my ass!

McGuire trying to off load in tackle in stead of taking the tackle
outcome try

Sinfield Off load in tackle
outcome Try, + goal

Peacock off load in tackle
outcome Try + goal

Smith doing facial with forearm conceded penalty
outcome Try

TOTAL 20 POINTS,
Just remind me who these guys play for?

Tony Smith could have selected Leon Pryce at 6, but I understand he's still missing, last seen around 6:00pm on Grand Final night.

Let me know when he turns up again, because Danny McGuire needs someone to help lace his boots, and there is a slim chance Pryce may be able to manage it.

you must have good eyes, because we havnt seen him all year

Danny McGuire needs alot more help than simply having his boots laced, both he and Sinfield need to realise that it is ok to pass to someone even if they don't play for Leeds.

That's because he can't manage it on his own. He hasn't learnt how to tie laces yet. (Or how to play rugby league unless it is with his own club team.)

It's a good thing they don't do stuff like that in the grand final isn't it?

Mcguire is gash.

Thats all that needs to be said really.

That would be the 3 time superleague champion Leeds Rhinos.

Just remind me who they beat at Old Trafford these past 3 years again?

Lets all just calm down a bit.

The fact of the matter is McGuire was poor. However in certain circumstances certainly at Leeds with a dominant pack and above the SL average team around him he's good. It is clear though that in the international arena with less room and a less all-round dominant team he is found wanting.

This is not McGuire bashing or Leeds bashing just fact.

And to prove it's not Leeds bashing I'll add that the very same thing could probably be said for Roby - although Roby is excellent in defence he doesn't offer enough going forward at this level.

Said my piece!

Biggest cheer of the day was the sub of Mc Guire, never seen a crowd rise to its feet and applaud the subbing of a player...

well at least thats a contructed arguement and well put if I may say so.

I could make counter points but I would be wasting my time here



discussion in the face of prejudice and arrogance is never fruitful

That's because he'd had such a great game.

Must have been, I was gutted he went off, he was really directing Australia around the field well.

Disagree with Eastmond at centre.
He should be 7 with Tomkins at 6.
The Kiwis have some really big lads at centre and Eastmond is a tad small.
I do think him and Tomkins could cause the big Kiwi forwards real problems. If the Kiwis rush up they'll both kick behind them.
If the Kiwis stay back they'll both attack their defence line with ball in hand.
IMO Tomkins at 6 and Eastmond at 7 is a must.

this has to be one of my favourite threads of all time! My favourite player getting totally vilified for having a poor game!

Reading the vindictive posting about mags and seeing you all w*nk over it tells me all I need to know about said muppits!

Reveling in it like pigs in sh*t

most amusing

you do know they where cheering the player coming on...not the one going off

and you do know where the game was being played dont you ???

Not around me they weren't!

Everyone around me screaming for him to come off, hence the cheer when he was subbed.

If there was ever an advert for an Eastmond/Tomkins half-back combination, the last 15 mins of that game was it.

It was like that around where I was sat, the cheers were deafening. Unfortunately I was unable to attend the game and had to put up with watching it at home.

Eastmond coming on changed our game going forward. He gave us a bit more of a spark in attack, was solid defensively and his introduction gave Tomkins a bit more space on the other side. We also got a couple of decent kicks after he came on.

Sinfield again showed that he isn't an International 13, though he did a better job at 9 than Roby did and gave us a bit more direction. Even though I've argued against this with certain Wigan based posters, Im starting to come round to the idea until we get a couple of decent hookers (Moore still has the potential to become a very good hooker IMO).

McGuire again showed that he lacks at this level, when asked to take more responsibility on, his game takes a backward step. And before Leeds fans start whining about club bias, Pryce is exactly the same. I think he may do a decent job at full back though, he's faster and a more creative than Briscoe who looked like he always does, like a second rate Radlinski.

The game showed up just how bad Saints are. Look at how dominant Leeds have been over us and yet you see how totally and utterly average their players are in the International game. It just shows how far we have to go to match the Aussies and the Kiwis.

you just can't help yourselves can you?

even the mighty "S" mods have taken bitterness to the next level