Is some of our problem that we are not as fit and conditioned as we were?

Are we missing Perelini's influence?

to be honest I don't think we are any less fit than any other team.

We are defo a slow team which might be down to perelini going or could just be as players get older they get slower.

In Gardners case he has bulked up which may be why he lost his pace so maybe he been getting the wrong training.

It's basic skills that we have lacked this year like passing, line running, kicking and defo our last tackle play.

Someone told me at the start of the season that the players were fed up with all the weight training they were doing under the new regime.

So thats got to be down to that cardboard cut out of a coach then?

don't what weights they been lifting but it ain't worked.

potter is starting to look very pi$$ed off in recent weeks. He is starting to show some emotion now with the odd swear word being said.

just because a high profile name has left the coaching staff the players are unfit, not strong enough, hate doing weights.....

As I said on another thread :


Weights don't give you speed although it might explain some of the newfound "bulk" in the players physique!

I think you have hit the nail on the head! about Perelini

Apollo wasn't just a trainer/fitness coach. He was THE fitness coach. The best in the league at that time.

we definitely are missing apollo's influence. I have heard that KC will be taking over when he retires which should be good as all the players will respect him.

That is very much an opinion, not a proven fact.

We were the fittest side in the league until he left. But I can't prove that either. It's not measurable. This is a forum and not a law court!

We look fit, especialy Jammer who is making his millionth meter in two weeks time....

Do we? I think we look knackered most of the time. Except for Jammer. Are we sure he is actually human?

We do look tired, we probably are, AP wouldnt make us look less tired is all I am saying, its jsut the rigours of a season of the team being pulled around in diff positions, chaps playing out of position etc etc...

Jammer isnt human, he is a transformer.

We were slow getting back for restarts against Hudds so maybe there is a conditioning issue.

Or maybe it's a players revolt, the only way they can let vent any feelings, by not playing as a team anymore. Or is it that the rest of the league have watched and learned, how to play us and win. You decide, I know which I one I think it is.

remember potters roots.

He came from the bradford school of coaching.

So plenty of weights, bulk and 5 dirves and a kick isn;t a suprise is it?

sadly, such methods work all too well when you have a strong?first choice pack.

Exactermundo! With Maurie and Cayless back and Tony P in the second row we will be a different team

Surely a good coach would adapt to the loss of forwards and tailor the pack play accordingly. Thus making allowances for the missing injured players and addressing the play to suit the team. Simples or not?

Right, take 2 of the 3 main props out we have and lose our starting scrum half and both hookers and what would you do?

That's really, really harsh

you just cant magic up to international class props!

I take it you missed the question mark at the end of my post. Also if I could come up with a better plan than "do your best" I'd be in coaching and not in building services.

I do wonder what some Saints speccies demand they see? Only the best free-flowing rugby league week in, week out? Where a team have failed if they don't outscore their opponents by at least 60 points, with every member of the team scoring twice in an exhibition of majestic rugby league unseen on this Earth - nay, this Galaxy?

You could put Wayne Bennett, Craig Bellamy, DA, Phil Gould or the Messiah himself in charge of this Saints team but we won't win sh*t without Props or a settled half-back combination. Neither of which we've had for the majority of this season. As soon as the more intelligently challenged members of this board accept this, the better it'll be for the club, the fans, the youngsters trying their best and the coach trying his hardest in the face of a crippling injury list.

But hey, none of this matters when we can just [size=200=blackBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/size the players for 80 minutes, does it? Because we're Saints fans and we demand perfection.