With this season increasingly seeming a write-off I think the time has now come to make the tough decisions and call time upon careers which have long exceeded their "use by" date.

Top of the list - Francis Meli.

In twenty years when my grand-children ask me why Saints' fell into decline the word "Meli" will be synonymous. I give great credit to McManus for his achievement in realising the new stadium - but his successes in recruitment have been mixed to say the least with Meli being his most obvious blunder. Here's a guy with successive contract extensions all of which were completely undeserved. A walking-talking on-the-field comic tragedy who arrived to pick up his form from the NRL, where he had correctly been identified as a defensive liability and all-round buffoon, costing us two Grand Finals whilst playing a significant role in a third. If ever there was a motif for our transition from being a club that strived to recruit (or promote from the reserves) players of the highest standards to one where failure is repeatedly rationalised with all manner of excuses (some of which are completely ridiculous) here he is.

How many academy reserves quietly spirited away to other clubs (or drifted out of the game completely) must wonder what they might have achieved had Meli not been granted the protected status of an endangered species? It's little wonder the Aussies laugh at our game. Over here players who repeatedly detonate epic failure are defended, their continued first team presence rationalised with dubious arguments such as [i"there isn't anyone better available"[/i and ultimately offered repeated and lucrative contract extensions. In the NRL such players are quickly identified and ruthlessly shown the exit - regardless of the availability of outside replacements. In their minds it's far more damaging to continue justifying the failures of one player than taking a risk on a rookie. After all, if one player is repeatedly allowed a free blunder pass then why should the rest of the team bust a gut to limit their errors?

Watching the near debacle at Widnes it was noticeable reading the faces of Saints players when Meli predictably coughed up possession in the last ten minutes giving our opponents the opportunity to get a roll on and almost steal the game. Where once errors resulted in scowled faces, bellows of frustration and gritted teeth now Meli's butterfingers are greeted with sagging shoulders and the odd shake of the head. It's funny watching Meli's face immediately after one of his spectacular cock-ups. Invariably he checks to discover the expressions of his team-mates - presumably for some semblance of comfort. But the players are all looking the other way, biting their tongues or imagining they are on a luxury cruise down the Nile.

The time has now come to draw the curtain on this fool's career. I'll give him some credit for partially re-inventing himself as a centre last season and turning in some decent displays. But this year he's been, for the most part, a silent passenger. Overweight, unfit and forever an accident just waiting to deposit some stinking turd of a defensive blunder on us.

Next on the list - Ade Gardner. Gardner's career on the wing has - for all but arguably two seasons - hung over me like a cloud of depression so thick it has all but obliterated sunnier memories of the days when Saints could be relied upon to field exciting speedsters. It's like I know players such as Barrie Ledger, Kevin McCormack, Les Quirk, Allan Hunte, Anthony Sullivan, Darren Albert - even Sean Hoppe (who wasn't even that quick) existed and once thrilled the crowds with spectacular (and often length-of-the-field) efforts but the brain fog engendered by Gardner's dour years at the club makes recalling those (happier) times nigh-on impossible.

When criticising Gardner it's often difficult to know where to start. Most people tend to concentrate on his obvious lack of pace, which I agree is a major problem (anyone not convinced by the futility of continuing with Gardner really needs to watch his pathetic pursuit of Jordan Turner where his little two-stroke engine popped a piston) or his inconsistent hands (one minute leaping to out-jump one of the best takers of the high-ball in SL - Ryan Hall, the next making some stupid Meli-esque blunder beneath a kick). And there's the valid argument that for a guy his size he often fails to put the very same to effective use. But the biggest issue I have with Ade is - attitude, or lack thereof. I'm not saying he's incapable of giving everything for the cause. There have been games this season when he has been one of the best players on the pitch - weighing in with some of the finest form of his career. The problem is he seems to turn his determination and passion for the game on and off like a tap. I've never quite shaken the suspicion that he plays when he feels like it and I don't think it's co-incidental that the form he's shown this season comes at a time when our options on the wing have increased with the performances of one or two academy players.

If we are to regain our previous form we can no longer tolerate players picking the games they want to perform in. It undermines the competitive spirit required to prevail over determined opponents. The harsh truth is that playing to the height of his potential Gardner remains a slow winger who presents little difficulties to an organised defence outside of five yards from the corner flag. Sullivan, Hunte, Quirk et al. all had games where their performances slipped. Nevertheless, even on a bad day our opponents knew that one slip could result in the ball firmly placed back over their line.

Vis a vis full back - this is a decision that we should have taken five years ago. I remember advocating experimentation with Ian Hardman at full-back and being laughed at by the usual crop of narrow-minded serial offenders that inhabit this board because Wellens' cruel lack of pace was showing signs of being exposed. The issue of whether Hardman would have been suitable for that role (in hindsight - clearly not) is incidental - the point is that Wellens, whilst being one of our most valuable assets, was paradoxically becoming the tip of the arrowhead in terms of our opponents' attacking strategy.

At that time Wellens still had the ability to beat the first defender and make yards. But if you could prevent Wellens from beating the first man ...

No team in SL understood the implications of the above better than Leeds. Smith cleverly devised a strategy (employed by most clubs these days) which mercilessly exposed this weakness resulting in anywhere up to fifteen yards advantage per set of six on tackle zero. Our first Grand Final defeat against Leeds was the wake-up call - for all the positives Wello brought to the table his lack of pace at the very highest level was a liability - there to be taken advantage of. We should have taken the decision there and then. But, no - fans were falling over themselves to claim the game was a one-off with Super Wello's form a certainty to return.

As the saying goes - [i"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."[/i

No doubt Leeds' simply couldn't believe their luck when Saints chose to hand them their attacking strategy on two further GF occasions!

So far Shenton has done little to justify expectations - not to mention achieve the levels of potential projected around the time of his transfer. His first season was largely forgettable. When signing players from other clubs you expect that - at the very least - they will repeat the kind of form they showed in former colours. I'd go further and say at any club with title aspirations they should damned well [iimprove[/i (an absolute must when we are talking about youngsters). The coterie of Shenton defenders can bluster all they like but the truth remains that even prior to his injury Shenton's form was of such a mundane variety I doubt whether we would have looked twice at him had he shown the same in a Cas shirt in the run up to us signing him. I'm willing to give the kid time to get over what was a pretty serious injury - but there must be [isome[/i game-to-game improvement - no matter how gradual. Right now - after playing several consecutive matches - he seems no more effective than he did on his first game back from injury. We simply cannot allow this to continue. If he isn't fit to play, or his head isn't quite right - put him on the bench, or send him back to the juniors where he can build confidence in a less pressurised environment.

Wheeler? At the very beginning of the season I said this is a make-or-break year for Gary Wheeler. For years I've stuck by this kid and defended him against the accusation that he is injury prone and unreliable. Like seemingly all Saints youngsters he was pilloried for not being able to stand up to the rigours of SL despite the fact that he wasn't mature physically and could be giving away anywhere up to two or three stones vs his direct opponent each game. But Gary is now past the point of maturity and he's as ready as he will ever be so that excuse is no longer applicable. So far this season his form has hardly matched the patience fans have exercised with him and once again injuries are taking their toll. Moreover, there remains the nagging question of where best to position him? Is he a centre? Is he BIG enough to be a centre? I mean, one doesn't need the physique of Mal Meninga to be useful - but pitched against some of SL's better sides Gary does look a touch on the short side. Some claim he should be given a role at stand-off - but I really don't see anything in his game that Lee Gaskell doesn't already bring to the table - and more besides. The reality here is that we have now reached the point where Gary Wheeler's future must be decided quickly. Either he demonstrates outstanding form in our remaining games this season or we call time on his career. I simply cannot go through another season wondering whether Wheeler will play or not next game.

I'll add some other points later but for now that's it.

Regardless of how poor those may/may not be, it is your overleliance on Graham and Roby that exposes every other weakness in your side.

Put in two hard running props and implement a game plan that shows some slight variation from turning it back into the ruck and you automatically will make all the rest look 20% better players.

Harsh comments there. However I have reckoned for a while that despite how everyone always goes on about RL being a team game etc, most great sides are really a handful of world class individuals surrounded by a number of other players that would be interchangeable with players from other clubs. Saints had Cunningham, Scully, Long, Pryce (and in the earlier days Newlove, Martyn, Joynt) who were really the difference. You could have swapped Gardner and Meli with us for Fa'afili and Grose and wouldn't have noticed any difference in fact I reckon Fa'afili and Grose were better.

Completely agree.


He's been the top of my list for the last four years and I really enjoyed reading your summary of him. Spot on for me.


And I've lost count of the number of fans who have been utterly bewildered as to why he has been retained, year on year.

I agree with it all.

Wellens is the main area of concern. Isn't his contract up this year? If so, it being renewed would prove the club has no ambition to be successful anymore. How Wello is captaining the side is beyond me.

Fullback in the modern game is an enormously important position. A quality fullback will give you a solid defensive platform and is arguably the most important attacking player a team has because they can enter the attacking line from any position. Wello not being able to do that removes a massive piece of our attacking subtlety. We still proceed with the moves, but the momentum stops and he stumbles into the line and wastes a tackle. From his commentary it seems Ian Millward would drop Wellens and it's about time someone at the club manned up. Of course it's a hard decision to make, cutting Mr St Helens, but it is years overdue.

couldn't agree more.

I think we have all sat in wonderment as Meli gets yet another contract extension every few years. The guy is a festering baboon that is seconds away from disaster at any time.

Time for a reshuffle, the season is a write off now, so we should get Foster and some other young lads back in the team.

Having said that, we are lacking a coach to build some structure in attack and defence. One out rugby, pass it along the line, no dummy runners, no offloads - its easy to see why we fail to score points in great numbers against "proper" teams. We only score points against Widnes and Wakey by smashing it up the middle repeatedly, and barging over from 2 yards.

Didn't Wellens sign a contract extension until the end of the 2013 season?

My thoughts on Wheeler and Wellens have been well documented over the years. Meli was again, along with Makinson your most dangerous player, he seems to play well against us.

IMO the biggest problem you have is the pack, again it was completely dominated, all the props were poor and there was nothing behind them.

I was at the U20's game on Friday, and whilst Gaskell didn't have a great game overall, his kicking was the difference in a win and a loss for Saints.

I think our wingers are the very least of our worries.

Wellens is off-contract. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_445 ... deals.html I don't think he's the problem though and I'd probably give him a 1 year deal if he wants to carry on playing. I thought he played well on Saturday (one of a very small few) The original post was a good read and I can't really disagree with much of it.

Wellens is off-contract. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_445 ... deals.html I don't think he's the problem though and I'd probably give him a 1 year deal if he wants to carry on playing. I thought he played well on Saturday (one of a very small few) The original post was a good read and I can't really disagree with much of it.

Quote ="(Saint)"Wellens is off-contract. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_445 ... deals.html I don't think he's the problem though and I'd probably give him a 1 year deal if he wants to carry on playing. I thought he played well on Saturday (one of a very small few) The original post was a good read and I can't really disagree with much of it.'" How can you say Wellens played well? What did he do well exactly? Is the fact that he didn't drop any balls enough? His contribution in an attacking sense is a major negative for us and he's never in the right place defensively either.

Quote ="(Saint)"Wellens is off-contract. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_445 ... deals.html I don't think he's the problem though and I'd probably give him a 1 year deal if he wants to carry on playing. I thought he played well on Saturday (one of a very small few) The original post was a good read and I can't really disagree with much of it.'" How can you say Wellens played well? What did he do well exactly? Is the fact that he didn't drop any balls enough? His contribution in an attacking sense is a major negative for us and he's never in the right place defensively either.

Wello is ruining his legend, if he has another year, he'll be laughed at

Interesting comment to make given he's been one of our best since Simmons left and had a decent game at the weekend IMO.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be replaced next year, but your comment is waaaaay OTT and a tad disrespectful.

Fully agree Mugwump.

I'm loathe to bag players cos anyone who takes to a rugby pitch deserves respect and Gardner has had his moments (Brisbane 2007) but he should have been released after the 2009 season.In that year's Grand Final Matt Gidley put him clean through and he butchered a walk-in try due to absolutely no pace.Mick Potter had his critics but by the end of 2010 he had dropped Gardner completely,but he got a reprieve when Potter left AND another contract.

How about this though.Back in January Jon Wilkin was on Radio Merseyside discussing the merits of the modern day winger and his role in the team.At Saints,Wilkin said Gardner would be in his team every time "because he helps the forwards out and hit's it up hard from his own line".Admirable sentiments but then he then went on to say Darren Albert wouldn't get a game now because he was a lazy player who just wanted to score tries!I had to listen again to make sure I heard it correctly.

Shame on you Darren for wowing us for 4 years with breath-taking tries and wonderful try-saving tackles when you should have been hitting it up hard from your own line and relieving the forwards!If that's the mind set now it's no wonder we have a chronic lack of pace in the backs if the club just want solid pro's instead of genuine flair.

Wello was the only back who ran with any enthusiasm or aggression whatsoever, was safe under the bomb, scored a try and made a clean break (more than any forward did.)

I'm not saying he's Billy Slater but in a horrible, spineless team performance which completely lacked any direction or leadership, he was one of our better individual performers and I'm still thankful he's there in big, pressure games like that which is why I'd give him another year.

Perhaps, but we're in danger of losing decent replacements for him be it Ashe, Makinson or who ever because they wont wait forever

The first job should be buying Hohaia a one way ticket home and replacing him with an organiser at 6. Following that we need to teach lomax that running to the line, feigning a pass before releasing a short ball is decent SOME of the time but when it is literally his only move, we are going to get found out.

Then we need to recreate Paul Anderson and we'll have achieved a winning team.

In order of what we need next year I would say it is

Organising half back
Huge prop
Full Back
Wing
Centre

We're fine at back row and hooker but all of the other positions need to be improved upon if we are to regain our place in the top 4 because we are comfortably behind Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Leeds at the moment and I'd only fancy us against Catalans in a home game.

Your next 3 games could be cruical to you finishing in the top 4.
Monday, 21 May 2012
Leeds v St Helens, 20:00
Sunday, 27 May 2012
St Helens v Wigan, 18:00
Friday, 1 June 2012
Hull v St Helens, 15:00

For your season to remain on track I think you will need to win 2 of those 3. Lose 2 of them or even worse 3 then you could well be in 8th place. But looking at your fixtures after these 3 you play some winnable games.

I'd be more than happy with one win from those three. Even the middle Wigan game isn't really at home, so it's 3 away games in a row. Mind you we said that before the run of three games against Leeds, Wigan and Warrington and we won 2 of those.

Rubbish. Makinson worked just as hard and made the only other clean break (nobody was following up of course). Wello also knocked on and allowed Finch - probably the slowest man on the Wigan team - to leave him for dust. So while I'm not into bagging Wello - he was great last season and since returning from injury this season has been great too - he is not impervious to error. The fact is that his lack of pace does now hinder our attack. However, on Saturday that was not our problem. We didn't have pace in our attack in the first place. In fact, we didn't have anything in attack.

On Saturday Wello and Makinson were our best players. The majority of the remainder were a very mixed bag and some should not have been played at all. However, those 'some' will be played against Leeds and in all our games regardless of how poorly they perform because they are senior players and these days it would seem they are beyond reproach.

I was going to include this in my post. But there is a difference in that the players had gotten rid of a Coach they did not like and felt they had to put up a show to justify their actions.

But now the honeymoons over and KC & Rush's inexperience as Coach's will be tested.

Obviously the loss of Graham, the best prop in SL if not the world has left a massive hole, but the main problem for me is the recruitment. Hohia, Lanfranchi and Perry for me are very disappointing. I always liked Mark Flanagan at Wigan and thought he would go well for you, but he too doesn't to seem to have improved since his time in the NRL.

Both teams were poor in a poor game on Sat, but like it or not, we are the much better unit at present.

I agree with that. Saints have been prone of late to waiting too long to replace senior players. Wello has been a fantastic servant and an outstanding player but I think we need to make changes.

Maybe, but he did that into the first tackler and stopped there.



I like this, you are praising him with a criticism. He is the captain, so if the performance is horrible and spineless he's got a big part to play in that. He's the worst choice of a captain ever. He's so negative and bitter, spending half his time on the field flapping his arms at the referees and having tantrums.



Do you not think there is a problem in that we never win those big, pressure games anymore?

Meli: I wondered how long it'd take until all our current woes were blamed on him.... All I'd ask the Meli haters is this: without him in the team, where the heck would we have generated any attacking threat out wide at all since Gidley got old and ineffective? Our backplay has been chronically awful for years now and the only cutting edge we've had at all out there has been down to him. Noone has spat bile in his direction more times than me after his O/T brain explosions. Noone was happier than me when he couldn't get a work permit a few years back. But since then he has improved his defence immeasurably and (most of the time) is fairly reliable defending kicks (not that any of you one-eyed numpties would ever recognise that fact). He has been Saints' most consistent and most dangerous player over the last 3.5 years, works his off and puts the fear of the almighty into opposition defences unlkike any of our other backs at the moment. But of course none of that matters as he was awful and unreliable 4 or 5 years ago and so will never be forgiven by the numpty brigade. Just unbelievable.... He'll leave at the end of the season with my thanks and appreciation, and **** the rest of you.

Wellens: His deficiencies are overestimated but time is undoubtedly catching up with him nevertheless and it's difficult to see how much longer he can carry on back there. Problem is that every time you convince yourself it's time to move on he'll pull a blinder out of the bag and convince you otherwise... He's just such an important player to the Saints setup at the moment and needs to play somewhere and #1 is about the only realistic candidate. And he's Wello.... Ngggggg..... can't decide on this one....

Wheeler: No player has ever frustrated me like him... One of the best talents in the game at the moment and a future Saints legend in the making but you despair of him ever putting an injury-free run together. This was his make-or-break season for me and so far it's been more of the latter than the former. One or two great games a season in between rehabilitation sessions is just no way to progress a career and it's going to be hard to keep him if it keeps up. He's got another year after this one so all hope is not lost yet. He'll come back to haunt us if/when we do release him....

Shenton: Terrible, terrible disappointment so far. Unfair to put the final judgment in on him until he has a run playing fit in a team that gives him the ball occasionally however, neither of which he has had at Saints at any stage. He's here for next season more than likely whatever so we'll see how he goes under Brown - I reckon we'll see a rather different player then. At least I bloody well hope so...

Gardner: He was a liabilty a few seasons ago, and so is naturally a liability for the entire rest of his career no matter what happens - it is the Saints' fan's way. A good solid player who (when at his best) will never let you down, can finish well and who will do the hard graft, and who has been in fantastic form the last 2 seasons in between the injuries. I'd love to see someone with some pace and threat out there instead but there isn't anyone available, so Ade will have to do until there is.

Perry: Has hardly had a run fit but has been very disappointing when he has. Not the signing advertised at all. There's still a bit of time for him to pull it around in time for the playoffs, but I doubt it. The injury just looks to have taken too much out of him and he'll likely never rise above the "decent performer" level again. Back to Oz he goes at the soonest available opportunity probably.

Hohaia: Remains a baffling signing. Obviously a very good player, but is playing in a team that has nowhere for him to play and is cobbled into a completely unsuitable position. That coupled with apparent problems settling in is making for an embarassing disaster. Hopefully we can negotiate an end to this shocking 4 year deal in the summer and get some balance back in the squad with the money instead. At the moment his main purpose in the side is to keep Gaskell out of the firing line until he's bulked up and developed a bit, so I'll just console myself that he's doing a valuable job in that way.

Laffranchi has been our best forward this season (behind Robes, obviously) and is a very good player. He isn't our problem. Flanagan also has been a good player, especially in defence. Again, he is not our problem. Hohaia has been a disappointment and I am now of the view that he isn't halfback material. He should be dropped from that position and Gaskell reintroduced (with proper support from the coaching staff) to see if he can regain his form of last year. Meli shouldn't play again and Perry should be advised to look for another club. Given that we are now out of the Cup and young players helped to get us to the GF last year, we should go with our young players again and see if they can inject some enthusiasm back into the team. They might also get some of the senior players worried enough to prompt them into working hard for a full 80 minutes, something a few of them have consistently failed to do all season.