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| Keiron Cunningham will select his 17 from:
2. Tommy Makinson, 3. Jordan Turner, 6. Travis Burns, 7. Luke Walsh, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 10. Kyle Amor, 12. Jon Wilkin, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 15. Greg Richards, 16. Andre Savelio, 17. Luke Thompson, 18. Dominique Peyroux, 19. Theo Fages, 20. Joe Greenwood, 21. Matty Dawson, 22. Jack Owens, 23. Shannon McDonnell, 29. Ricky Bailey.
Denis Betts will choose his Widnes 17 from:
1. Rhys Hanbury, 2. Corey Thompson, 5. Patrick Ah Van, 7. Joe Mellor, 8. Eamon O'Carroll, 10. Manase Manuokafoa, 11. Chris Houston, 13. Hep Cahill, 14. Chris Dean, 15. Setaimata Sa, 18. Gil Dudson, 19. Macgraff Leuluai, 20. Alex Gerrard, 21. Tom Gilmore, 22. Matt Whitley, 25. Ed Chamberlain, 33. Aaron Heremaia, 34. Sam Brooks, 42. Danny Walker.
Tasi injured and Bailey in.
Cahill back for Widnes
Looks pretty much like the same tam that had the nightmare vs the goons. Sigh - but its all we have.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Keiron Cunningham will select his 17 from:
2. Tommy Makinson, 3. Jordan Turner, 6. Travis Burns, 7. Luke Walsh, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 10. Kyle Amor, 12. Jon Wilkin, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 15. Greg Richards, 16. Andre Savelio, 17. Luke Thompson, 18. Dominique Peyroux, 19. Theo Fages, 20. Joe Greenwood, 21. Matty Dawson, 22. Jack Owens, 23. Shannon McDonnell, 29. Ricky Bailey.
Denis Betts will choose his Widnes 17 from:
1. Rhys Hanbury, 2. Corey Thompson, 5. Patrick Ah Van, 7. Joe Mellor, 8. Eamon O'Carroll, 10. Manase Manuokafoa, 11. Chris Houston, 13. Hep Cahill, 14. Chris Dean, 15. Setaimata Sa, 18. Gil Dudson, 19. Macgraff Leuluai, 20. Alex Gerrard, 21. Tom Gilmore, 22. Matt Whitley, 25. Ed Chamberlain, 33. Aaron Heremaia, 34. Sam Brooks, 42. Danny Walker.
Tasi injured and Bailey in.
Cahill back for Widnes
Looks pretty much like the same tam that had the nightmare vs the goons. Sigh - but its all we have.
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Yeah Cahill back, but Marsh and White added to the injuries too. No Brown,Bridge,Runciman,Marsh and White. I see Jordan Turner added to your squad.
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"Yeah Cahill back, but Marsh and White added to the injuries too. No Brown,Bridge,Runciman,Marsh and White. I see Jordan Turner added to your squad.'"
Brown is one of the best players in SL. I'm not suggesting you're a 1 man team because the cogs are very good, but Brown makes them turn. I think Saints will pick up the 2 points.
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| Quote ="Twentyman"Brown is one of the best players in SL. I'm not suggesting you're a 1 man team because the cogs are very good, but Brown makes them turn. I think Saints will pick up the 2 points.'"
If that is the case we should see a few of you at the game on Monday.
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| Quote ="Twentyman"Brown is one of the best players in SL. I'm not suggesting you're a 1 man team because the cogs are very good, but Brown makes them turn. I think Saints will pick up the 2 points.'"
Both sides are down a few players TM so it will be a close game,it could go either way
One thing is for certain it will be a forwards game down the middle
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| Quote ="welsh wizard"
One thing is for certain it will be a forwards game down the middle'"
We are pretty good at that for about 20 mins then the players switch off and have a break from doing any effort.
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| I'd like to see us "rest" Luke Walsh and give someone else a go, don't care who it is I just prefer to see a player who puts an 80 minute shift in and is prepared to put his shoulder into a tackle.
Rugby at any level is a tough game but it's a team game and when you pull on a shirt you make a commitment to your team mates, any player who isn't prepared to give 100% shouldn't be on the field whether he is a "star" or not.
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| I would rest burns for good, and put theo in at 6 for the rest of the season.
focus on building for next year and 2018 rather than the mess that was last season and this.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"I would rest burns for good, and put theo in at 6 for the rest of the season.
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Can't understand why he (Fages) has missed so many games so far, biggest worry is that certain players look as though they are being de coached in favour of the "arm wrestle" belief to win games.
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| Looking at this objectively in respect of the squad for Widnes, and in fact this coming Friday against Hull, then you need to stick with the core of those that have trained in the pivots last week. There's not much of an opportunity to change a lot due to lack of training sessions. So persevere this week then change what's needed when we are back to a normal schedule.
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| I bet KC doing a rain dance
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| Only listened to it on the radio, sounded as though Luke Thompson had a good game and took the ball up well, Widnes on the other hand seemed to be having a knockonathon.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Only listened to it on the radio, sounded as though Luke Thompson had a good game and took the ball up well, Widnes on the other hand seemed to be having a knockonathon.'"
Thompson was really good today.
Widnes was dire. They dropped the ball all afternoon. We was poor again and sky commenting on our "ugly" style of play but it's a good win.
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| On the plus side, KC thought both the edges and the middles were great today.
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| We had 80% completion rate today which is very good considering we had tough game on Friday but yet again we was poor wirh the ball.
I'm beginning to think it's the only way we can play. We don't have the quality to play expansive rugby so maybe KC is playing to our strengths.
Widnes would have had 60 on them by a good attacking team today.
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| Quote ="St pete"We had 80% completion rate today which is very good considering we had tough game on Friday but yet again we was poor wirh the ball.
I'm beginning to think it's the only way we can play. We don't have the quality to play expansive rugby so maybe KC is playing to our strengths.
Widnes would have had 60 on them by a good attacking team today.'"
It's getting chicken and egg now - are the players not good enough and thus this is why we're playing this way, or are we playing this way and it makes a lot of players look not good enough?
I think on the whole, the team is good enough, and with a settled spine they may just start to look better. There's no doubt we look better with Theo at 6, and with some game time under his belt, and some threat returned to the centres, we might start to look better.
Good performances from Thompson, Walmsley, Amor, Savelio and Walsh today
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| Widnes handed us the game with so many errors, still you can only play what's infront of you
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| Dreadful performance by Widnes. Knock ons, silly penalties etc. Our forwards looked very fresh in comparison but obviously still had plenty of juice leftover in the tank from Friday's effort.
The play the ball was much faster, there was urgency, Walsh and Fages asked plenty of questions. They all put a shift in so can't fault them. Although we lost the 2nd half.
I think Widnes have every right to feel aggrieved by the 'No Try' decision at the end.
Anyone know how bad Makinson's injury is? I'm guessing Dawson will be on that wing next game with Turner back to centre.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"It's getting chicken and egg now - are the players not good enough and thus this is why we're playing this way, or are we playing this way and it makes a lot of players look not good enough?
I think on the whole, the team is good enough, and with a settled spine they may just start to look better. There's no doubt we look better with Theo at 6, and with some game time under his belt, and some threat returned to the centres, we might start to look better.
Good performances from Thompson, Walmsley, Amor, Savelio and Walsh today'"
I personally don't think the players are good enough. Look at good friday, we spent the first 20 mins on Wigan line and created nothing and Wigan went straight up our end and scored.
Widnes today was there to be hammered. We spent long periods on there line agsin and only got 3 tries.
Imo we have to play boring "arm wrestle" rugby as that's ate we are capable of. Sky are saying we play "ugly" now which is a big drop from the ex entertainers of super league.
We have to win games so imo we have to play the style KC has brought in which is completion and hope we can get on there line and barge over.
It's not the style I want to see but KC is judged on results and if he gets results then he keeps his job. If thst style will keep the crowds flocking in is another thing.
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| Quote ="St pete"I personally don't think the players are good enough. Look at good friday, we spent the first 20 mins on Wigan line and created nothing and Wigan went straight up our end and scored.
Widnes today was there to be hammered. We spent long periods on there line agsin and only got 3 tries.
Imo we have to play boring "arm wrestle" rugby as that's ate we are capable of. Sky are saying we play "ugly" now which is a big drop from the ex entertainers of super league.
We have to win games so imo we have to play the style KC has brought in which is completion and hope we can get on there line and barge over.
It's not the style I want to see but KC is judged on results and if he gets results then he keeps his job. If thst style will keep the crowds flocking in is another thing.'"
We can do it, we saw Wilkin ghost through in the first 20 on good Friday, LMS today etc, we just don't run those lines often enough to create space on the outside. Whether they don't run those lines because they're not good enough or whether KC is actively encouraging it not to happen I don't know. Admittedly, when it does get outside in space we see things like Dawson's forward pass today, but it just doesn't happen often enough.
We're putting ourselves in a position to attack often enough, we just can't break down the last line - to me it's all about the structure of those sets, and that all comes down to coaching.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"We can do it, we saw Wilkin ghost through in the first 20 on good Friday, LMS today etc, we just don't run those lines often enough to create space on the outside. Whether they don't run those lines because they're not good enough or whether KC is actively encouraging it not to happen I don't know. Admittedly, when it does get outside in space we see things like Dawson's forward pass today, but it just doesn't happen often enough.
We're putting ourselves in a position to attack often enough, we just can't break down the last line - to me it's all about the structure of those sets, and that all comes down to coaching.'"
Or the players ain't good enough to break the goal line defence down. KC made a comment a few weeks ago saying how much of better player Walsh is now than 2yrs ago as he don't throw passes everywhere. So maybe it's bit of KC style and a bit of us not having the skills to score.
One thing for sure, we won't score long distance tries these days haha
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| Quote ="St pete"Or the players ain't good enough to break the goal line defence down. KC made a comment a few weeks ago saying how much of better player Walsh is now than 2yrs ago as he don't throw passes everywhere. So maybe it's bit of KC style and a bit of us not having the skills to score.
One thing for sure, we won't score long distance tries these days haha'"
I'm getting seriously concerned for KCs mental health. So Walsh is better now than when he was a shoe in for man of steel before he broke his ankle?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I'm getting seriously concerned for KCs mental health. So Walsh is better now than when he was a shoe in for man of steel before he broke his ankle?'"
That's what he said. Can't recall which game it was after now but he said it
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"It's getting chicken and egg now - are the players not good enough and thus this is why we're playing this way, or are we playing this way and it makes a lot of players look not good enough?
I think on the whole, the team is good enough, and with a settled spine they may just start to look better. There's no doubt we look better with Theo at 6, and with some game time under his belt, and some threat returned to the centres, we might start to look better.
Good performances from Thompson, Walmsley, Amor, Savelio and Walsh today'"
I think KC needs to let the players off the leash instead of holding them into this conservative style of rugby, once Lomax, Percival, Swift and Vea are back in the side our game needs to open up. Fages is starting to ask questions when he takes the line on and will find the gaps the more he plays, hopefully he gets the no 6 shirt from now on.
Its now looking that the standard of Superleague is getting below par these days, so our lack of pace and creativity is not killing us to be residing at the bottom end of the league table.
Our next home game v Hull will be a another big test that can go the same way v Wigan, lets hope the players can apply a bit more constant pressure into the game plan and play with a bit more style.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think KC needs to let the players off the leash instead of holding them into this conservative style of rugby, once Lomax, Percival, Swift and Vea are back in the side our game needs to open up. Fages is starting to ask questions when he takes the line on and will find the gaps the more he plays, hopefully he gets the no 6 shirt from now on.
Its now looking that the standard of Superleague is getting below par these days, so our lack of pace and creativity is not killing us to be residing at the bottom end of the league table.
Our next home game v Hull will be a another big test that can go the same way v Wigan, lets hope the players can apply a bit more constant pressure into the game plan and play with a bit more style.'"
Hull can't defend so we should put points on the board
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