Will be back in contention in the next couple of weeks, would you play him?

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Yes, I would personally. The likes of Walker and Greenwood need gametime, but to be honest I'd play Perry over Laffranchi.

Walker did ok tonight, didn't he?
Perry on a good day is still a very good prop. I'd hope the pressure from the squad gees him into more consistent action.

Perry when fit will be back in over cough Lms greenwood walker

Clough seems to have gone backwards

Personally I'm loving the way that Walker and Greenwood are shaping up. At last we may have a variety of props who can be rotated in and out of the team. For years we have been making 2nd rowers and FB's. Now we are showing we can make props too.

I'm not suggesting world class, just good hard workers, the type you need in a side, who can be rotated in and out and who knows what the future holds for them.

I particularly like Walkers communication in the tackle. He is all mouth to his fellow pros, about controlling the man. That kind of confidence will take you far. You can't wander in like a shrinking violet.

Props is what we need and when the likes of Perry and TP leave us and we have no-one who we can tempt from the NRL to replace them. These guys and their like will be the force of players to take over.

Yes i would but he will need to give 100 percent otherwise he will be out.

I was very impressed by Walker and Greenwood, especially how well they coped in defence. They both got through a lot of work. Fair enough, it wasn't Warrington's strongest pack, but they can both be proud of their performances.

I think he'll come in for Clough, who doesn't seem to be making his usual yards.

I wouldn't pick Perry again this year unless we have injuries. He's averge at best, he's unfit and basically offers nothing.

Lms, TP, Clough, Lafranchi, greenwood, walker and Walmsley are better than him.

Correct. He might have a part to play if we get an injury crisis but until then his efforts don't merit an immediate recall to the 17. The young kids have been putting him to shame these last two weeks.

I would still play Perry, it all depends on Walker and Walmsley's development. We have a bit of competition for places now so maybe he realise he needs to up his game like everyone else.

Obviously if the young lads was struggling he'd have to come in but IMO until then he can sit on his bum in the stands

I think he SHOULD be in contention, why not? We need to keep rotating the pack to make sure we are fit come the end of the season.

Rotation is also key in terms of Walker, Greenwood and Walmsley as they are still finding their feet in the first team.

Why not ?

Because he's lazy, not interested, slow, he's a liability in defence and gives Way silly pens.

Its a squad game so he's part of that but IMO he's behind TP, Laffranchi, clough, lms, greenwood, walker and Walmsley.

He would be straight in at prop for me.

One thing i would look a though is partnering him with LMS. That would give us a stopper/enforcer prop in Perry and a fast mobile prop in LMS.

It would allow Lafranchi to play either off the bench or in the starting backrow.

Walker and Greenwood have done a job for us when in the side, but they are not quite there yet physically.

In the past few weeks and especially against Leeds it has really shown up how much we are lacking in the front row.
Jamie Peacock had a field day against us, and while Perry is no worldbeater he can stop opposition packs from building up momentum.

Josh Perry is no longer a enforcer. He gets smashed every week. I honestly can't recall one game that he's played well in the two and a half years he's been here.

Great signing at the time but it just hasn't worked out.

In both those seasons he missed a large chunk of pre season through injury. I agree that he didnt offer us much, but i want to see if a Josh Perry with a full pre season under his belt will offer us more.

If he doesnt, then we dont renew his contract and take steps to give the young forwards at the club more game time to fast track them into the system.

I would love to be proven wrong but I just don't see how Perry can come back into the team and suddenly start producing the good after two years of injuries and awful form when available.

Why spoil his holiday?

Worst Aussie signing since Michael O'Connor.

Clough has only just come back from injury and has had no gametime or proper pre season I'm sure he will improve as he gets more gametime.

Although Clough hardly ever makes any errors, I am not really impressed with him as a prop. He just twists and runs backwards into players, and doesn't make much headway doing that.

Thats how I see him, when he first came on the scene thought he might develop into an "Andy Platt" type of prop. I know he has injuries but what you see of him now is most likely the finished article, wish he could be doing more tackle busts and create an offloading game. Not a starting 17 player for me but a fringe player who will not let you down for effort.

Unless his game develops, he'll stay a 4th choice prop, but he mad more yards last year thanlaffranchi from less carries and was one of the better players going forward in the defeat to Leeds. Often when we lose and the pack isn't performing , Clough plods a long at normal rate and is actually one of our best go forward guys.
We're in a salary capped game and clough's lack of what might be considered star quality, combined with a good ability to gain yards and defend reliably, should mean that he's excellent value for money.

the stats would disagree with you, it doesn't look pretty or glamourous but he makes good yardage. Cloughy is excellent value for money