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I thought it was his best game he has had for us.
His defence was very good.
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash.
But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
Meters per carrie.
Graham: 6.7
Fielden: 7.9
Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.'"
At his peak Fielden was very good but 600m extra in two games less is a pretty big difference. That's an average of 30m [iper game[/i and Also why did you not pick Graham's 2009 season which would give you a difference of 67m [iper game[/i?
Those are big figures particularly when you consider the quality of defence on offer in those two respective seasons i.e. the average points differentials for the bottom six were -269 (SL XV), -185 (SL XIV) and -291 (SL X) and SL X was with a twelve team league as well! With the bottom four alone it was -324, -259 and -420. I don't think you can seriously compare the output of the two of them. Fielden was good at his peak but not in the same league as Graham. Once defences caught up with Fielden he melted. Perhaps the burning sun of Australia will melt Graham but he'll make a good fist of it I'm sure.
Edit: The number of clean breaks over those three competitions support my view that defences were not as great then too. The average number of clean breaks per team during those seasons were 124 (XV), 142 (XIV) and 181 (X) which equates to roughly an extra line break per team per game against XIV and two against XV. Given Super League XV's average number of total line breaks per game was 9.2 (X was 13 per game) that's a significant difference in a game and over the course of a season. |
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash.
But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
Meters per carrie.
Graham: 6.7
Fielden: 7.9
Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.'"
At his peak Fielden was very good but 600m extra in two games less is a pretty big difference. That's an average of 30m [iper game[/i and Also why did you not pick Graham's 2009 season which would give you a difference of 67m [iper game[/i?
Those are big figures particularly when you consider the quality of defence on offer in those two respective seasons i.e. the average points differentials for the bottom six were -269 (SL XV), -185 (SL XIV) and -291 (SL X) and SL X was with a twelve team league as well! With the bottom four alone it was -324, -259 and -420. I don't think you can seriously compare the output of the two of them. Fielden was good at his peak but not in the same league as Graham. Once defences caught up with Fielden he melted. Perhaps the burning sun of Australia will melt Graham but he'll make a good fist of it I'm sure.
Edit: The number of clean breaks over those three competitions support my view that defences were not as great then too. The average number of clean breaks per team during those seasons were 124 (XV), 142 (XIV) and 181 (X) which equates to roughly an extra line break per team per game against XIV and two against XV. Given Super League XV's average number of total line breaks per game was 9.2 (X was 13 per game) that's a significant difference in a game and over the course of a season. | |
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| Quote ="McClennan"At his peak Fielden was very good but 600m extra in two games less is a pretty big difference. That's an average of 30m [iper game[/i and Also why did you not pick Graham's 2009 season which would give you a difference of 67m [iper game[/i?
Those are big figures particularly when you consider the quality of defence on offer in those two respective seasons i.e. the average points differentials for the bottom six were -269 (SL XV), -185 (SL XIV) and -291 (SL X) and SL X was with a twelve team league as well! With the bottom four alone it was -324, -259 and -420. I don't think you can seriously compare the output of the two of them. Fielden was good at his peak but not in the same league as Graham. Once defences caught up with Fielden he melted. Perhaps the burning sun of Australia will melt Graham but he'll make a good fist of it I'm sure.
Edit: The number of clean breaks over those three competitions support my view that defences were not as great then too. The average number of clean breaks per team during those seasons were 124 (XV), 142 (XIV) and 181 (X) which equates to roughly an extra line break per team per game against XIV and two against XV. Given Super League XV's average number of total line breaks per game was 9.2 (X was 13 per game) that's a significant difference in a game and over the course of a season.'"
Excellent post. All though your use of roman numerals and the fact I don't my roman numerals did throw me. 
All though I disagree Fielden's formed dipped because of better defenses. A number of well documented factors contributed to Stuart's downfall. The greatest one being burnout, after playing for the full eighty, match after match, season after season. For me Fielden provided the best performance from a prop I've ever witnessed when Bradford faced West Tigers in the WCC. So while I fully acknowledge Graham is a superb prop and one of the very best in the world. Having seen them both play, I'm still of the opinion that Fielden in his pomp was the best. But only by the tiniest of margins as I've already previously said. | | |
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash.
But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
Meters per =#FF0000carrie.
Graham: 6.7
Fielden: 7.9
Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.'"
CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY.
Sorry, I've seen you spell it that way a couple of times and needed to get it off my chest.  |
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash.
But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
Meters per =#FF0000carrie.
Graham: 6.7
Fielden: 7.9
Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.'"
CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY.
Sorry, I've seen you spell it that way a couple of times and needed to get it off my chest. | |
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY, CARRY.
Sorry, I've seen you spell it that way a couple of times and needed to get it off my chest.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Duly noted.
'" Graham's yards per carry's never been the highest, but its his unbeleivable workrate which then gains him back the ground (so to speak).
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