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History suggests that pivot/spine players at 1,6,7 & 9 are more likely to win it though.'"
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A lot of people on this thread keep saying that Leeds haven't lost anything but that's patently nonsense:
1. We had to pay a fee for his replacement
2. That fee may have been impacted by the selling club's knowledge that we were under time pressure to resolve this
3. McDermott's work over the off season have had to be changed which will have impacted all the coaches and one would imagine the rest of the players.
Meanwhile Segeyaro has lost:
1. Wages he's done nothing to earn
So explain to me again why I should view him as anything other than the bad guy and Leeds as the wronged party in this?
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98 pages and we're still stuck somewhere between Denial and Anger.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"A lot of people on this thread keep saying that Leeds haven't lost anything but that's patently nonsense:
1. We had to pay a fee for his replacement
2. That fee may have been impacted by the selling club's knowledge that we were under time pressure to resolve this
3. McDermott's work over the off season have had to be changed which will have impacted all the coaches and one would imagine the rest of the players.
Meanwhile Segeyaro has lost:
1. Wages he's done nothing to earn
So explain to me again why I should view him as anything other than the bad guy and Leeds as the wronged party in this?'"
They lost 8 weeks of recruitment time, that's all. No other hookers were available or signed up during that time, so IMO they didn't really. If Segeyaro had rejected the contract at the deadline, Leeds would have had to get a replacement anyway, and would still have had to pay a fee.
But even so, if anything, pass on that fee to the Sharks, not the silly £250k tag that GH keeps trotting out.
As for who's the bad guy - 100% that's Segeyaro, but that doesn't mean Leeds have to drop to his level.
Quote ="rollin thunder"Quote ="DHM"98 pages and we're still stuck somewhere between Denial and Anger.'"
time to move on from this, we have got a replacemnt that may prove to be as good if not better. he is stuck frozen out of the game and he has no one to blame but himself.'"
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| Quote ="Superted"But even so, if anything, pass on that fee to the Sharks, not the silly £250k tag that GH keeps trotting out.'"
Everybody knows that they won't have to pay that price to get him in reality. Probably could get him for half of that, possibly even less but they haven't made a single offer. Can't be that hard for them to offer something in the region of £50-100k. Must be saving some money now that Barba is heading to RU. |
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History suggests that pivot/spine players at 1,6,7 & 9 are more likely to win it though.'"
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Yes they have.Must be that unconcious bias the rugby league writers have. As for Segeyero,well what Big Jim said,you cannot say fairer than that.
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Segeyaro was clearly very happy at Leeds whilst he was here but he was then tapped up by Cronulla when he returned to Oz,but they won't pay a fee for him
How are Leeds guilty of anything here?
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Now they've lost Barba, the Sharks have no excuse not to be able to pay a small fee for Segeyaro if they want him.
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[url=http://www.seriousaboutrl.com/leeds-linked-cronullas-luke-lewis-4348/[uLeeds to swap James Segeyaro for Luke Lewis?[/u[/url
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latest news
why James Segeyaro stuck in legal limbo as Rhinos stick to transfer fee demand
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/james-s ... 259cc1e69f
JAMES Segeyaro faces an uncertain future after Leeds Rhinos confirmed they’ve instructed lawyers in Australia to prepare for legal proceedings against the ex- Penrith hooker for walking out on the Super League giants.
Segeyaro is already staring at the prospect of spending the next two seasons out of the NRL with Rhinos CEO Gary Hetherington insisting his club won’t relax demands for a $400,000 transfer fee for his registration, which expires in November 2018.
The 26-year-old has been training with Cronulla and staying with close friend Wade Graham in the hope of earning a move to the NRL premiers who are looking for a replacement for Michael Ennis.
However, the Sharks are unwilling to sacrifice so much of their salary cap on a transfer fee, leaving Segeyaro in limbo unless another club is willing to fork out what Leeds want.
Graham said Segeyaro is in turmoil over the situation and hopes his close friend’s future can be resolved soon.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
Source: Supplied
“He’s been a bit all over the place to be honest,” Graham told AAP from Cronulla’s camp in London ahead of their World Club Series clash with Wigan. “He just wants to be playing again. I’d love it to be with us. “He’s one of my best mates. I just want what’s right for him and I really hope something can be sorted.”
But a furious Hetherington said he has no sympathy for the 26-year-old after he made unflattering comments about his time at the Super League giants shortly after committing his future to the club.
“James reneged on his contract and he’s on the transfer list,” Hetherington told AAP.
“We’ve spoken to the NRL and they’ve made it clear that they won’t register any contract unless we’ve been paid the fee we want.
“We’ve employed lawyers in Australia to begin legal action for breach of contract.”
English to end NRL streak?English to end NRL streak?0:38
Hetherington defended his hard line stance and said he told Segeyaro and his manager Sam Ayoub what would happen when he met them in Sydney last November. “I was bitterly disappointed when they told me James wasn’t coming back and told them what the consequences would be,” he said.
“I am making the stand for integrity of the game and for fans who pay money to watch rugby league every week.
“This kind of thing has started to happen a lot and we need to make sure it stops. It’s not right.” Segeyaro agreed to a two-and-half year deal when he moved to Leeds from Penrith midway through last season that included a break clause at the end of the campaign.
“He had until September to tell us if he wanted to invoke that clause but he told us he was happy to stay and made statements of intent to that effect,” Hetherington said.
“Then he went home and all of a sudden he’s homesick and wanting to go back to the NRL.” Segeyaro is not being paid by Leeds and Hetherington made it clear there’s no way back for him at Headingley.
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why James Segeyaro stuck in legal limbo as Rhinos stick to transfer fee demand
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/james-s ... 259cc1e69f
JAMES Segeyaro faces an uncertain future after Leeds Rhinos confirmed they’ve instructed lawyers in Australia to prepare for legal proceedings against the ex- Penrith hooker for walking out on the Super League giants.
Segeyaro is already staring at the prospect of spending the next two seasons out of the NRL with Rhinos CEO Gary Hetherington insisting his club won’t relax demands for a $400,000 transfer fee for his registration, which expires in November 2018.
The 26-year-old has been training with Cronulla and staying with close friend Wade Graham in the hope of earning a move to the NRL premiers who are looking for a replacement for Michael Ennis.
However, the Sharks are unwilling to sacrifice so much of their salary cap on a transfer fee, leaving Segeyaro in limbo unless another club is willing to fork out what Leeds want.
Graham said Segeyaro is in turmoil over the situation and hopes his close friend’s future can be resolved soon.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
Source: Supplied
“He’s been a bit all over the place to be honest,” Graham told AAP from Cronulla’s camp in London ahead of their World Club Series clash with Wigan. “He just wants to be playing again. I’d love it to be with us. “He’s one of my best mates. I just want what’s right for him and I really hope something can be sorted.”
But a furious Hetherington said he has no sympathy for the 26-year-old after he made unflattering comments about his time at the Super League giants shortly after committing his future to the club.
“James reneged on his contract and he’s on the transfer list,” Hetherington told AAP.
“We’ve spoken to the NRL and they’ve made it clear that they won’t register any contract unless we’ve been paid the fee we want.
“We’ve employed lawyers in Australia to begin legal action for breach of contract.”
English to end NRL streak?English to end NRL streak?0:38
Hetherington defended his hard line stance and said he told Segeyaro and his manager Sam Ayoub what would happen when he met them in Sydney last November. “I was bitterly disappointed when they told me James wasn’t coming back and told them what the consequences would be,” he said.
“I am making the stand for integrity of the game and for fans who pay money to watch rugby league every week.
“This kind of thing has started to happen a lot and we need to make sure it stops. It’s not right.” Segeyaro agreed to a two-and-half year deal when he moved to Leeds from Penrith midway through last season that included a break clause at the end of the campaign.
“He had until September to tell us if he wanted to invoke that clause but he told us he was happy to stay and made statements of intent to that effect,” Hetherington said.
“Then he went home and all of a sudden he’s homesick and wanting to go back to the NRL.” Segeyaro is not being paid by Leeds and Hetherington made it clear there’s no way back for him at Headingley.
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So when Hetherington met the player and his agent, he was told then that he didn't want to return, and threatened the player with what would happen? why did Hetherington tell the public after that meeting then that everything was fine and the player was looking forward to returning?
Seems what the player said at the time was indeed correct. I can see Hetherington getting caught out here, whether is stance is correct or not. Sooner or later the NRL will just say grow up, and register the player, with a statement forthcoming of an undisclosed fee paid in agreement.
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Seems what the player said at the time was indeed correct. I can see Hetherington getting caught out here, whether is stance is correct or not. Sooner or later the NRL will just say grow up, and register the player, with a statement forthcoming of an undisclosed fee paid in agreement.'"
Do you mean this?
He said: “[iThere has been interest from NRL clubs in James and one club in particular but I have explained to them that Leeds Rhinos are not prepared to consider a release or transfer so that is the end of the matter. I met up with James here in Sydney and he is in good condition and due back with us on 3rd January.[/i” |
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I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.
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He said: “[iThere has been interest from NRL clubs in James and one club in particular but I have explained to them that Leeds Rhinos are not prepared to consider a release or transfer so that is the end of the matter. I met up with James here in Sydney and he is in good condition and due back with us on 3rd January.[/i”'"
No I don't mean that. I mean the one when he was in Australia, after meeting the player, only for the player three days later come out and say something completely different. The completely different that Hetherington seems to now be confirming was the case. |
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| Quote ="Superted"I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.'"
Leeds arent stopping Segeyaro playing for anyone else. The NRL are refusing to register him. |
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Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.'"
This is my thinking here too. Time to just let go, i don't really see what the club are going to get out of this barring a lot of bad press in Australia from here on in.They aren't paying his wages anymore, have a replacement and clearly now won't get a fee for the player. It stinks what Segeyaro has done and it needs nipping in the bud but the point has been made now. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"No I don't mean that. I mean the one when he was in Australia, after meeting the player, only for the player three days later come out and say something completely different. The completely different that Hetherington seems to now be confirming was the case.'"
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