Had to put a link to the RFL statement on the thread they started on the Wakey board as it didn't appear anyone was going to update it and just as I expected from them they're spouting the usual "Leeds affected the verdict","GH rules the RFL" and even someone suggesting it's a "Scottish Verdict" of Not proven. The more vehement attackers of Zak didn't have the class to accept the outcome let alone apologise for being waaaaaay OTT. No class, no surprise!

There is no place in the modern world for homophobia, its not quite "name calling" as you say

The only hysteria on here is from you regarding the use of an 'alleged' homophobic term.

In your view it appears clubs should accept thuggish behaviour on the field but should sack anyone who calls someone a queer? Perhaps you even view this discrimination of the behavioural trait to be even more serious than domestic violence, child abuse etc? Your reaction to this would suggest you view this crime very high up your moral compass?

I would suggest your moral compass is a bit warped compared to society. Then you do empathise with the writings of Noam Chomsky!!

On Queensland I would say Brisbane is a far more progressive/enlightened city than its counterparts in NSW and Victoria.

It is no surprise either that the PC crowd from the Sin Bin invaded this thread - no wonder that board is as dead as the dodo!!

Your still not managing to get your head out of your @r5e, are you?

All that was heard is f****** something, a name. Only those with an agenda have said the something was an homophobic word. Shown now as no evidence to back this up, therefore just "name calling".

Too right! I suggest you locate the kid with the blond hair and red, chubby cheeks who lead a chorus of your fans in a homophobic chant aimed towards Tom Briscoe and try convince him.

Its easier to locate your south stand singing about us going down with our trawlers.

And to Gotcha, the best post you could have done would have been "yes i agree, theres no place for homophobia in the modern world, but on this occasion Zak has been found not to use such language"

So in effect you are still dodging the fact that homophobia is not acceptable.

Can you read? Where did he say it does have a place? Before you climb up your step ladders to get on your high horse, it is usually a good idea to check the grounding.

The problem with zealots is that they can only see a specific set of crimes and follow one agenda.

The point he was making is that there is no place in society for many things. Furthermore, that contrived hysteria over just one those misdemeanours is hypocrisy at best and laughable posturing at worst.

Personally, I do see any form of violence or intent to commit injury as being far worse than any other crime. However, that does not mean that the infringement of anybody's right to live peacefully is not important.

I've never heard it but I did witness your grunts personally. HTH

Homophobia is worse than beating a woman??? Really? Why?

No better or worse, There is no place for it either. Most of us dont live in the 1950's

Either way it's irrelevant now as far as the subject of this thread is concerned isn't it?

Has Hull ever moved on from the 1950's ?



I've been in the South Stand many many many times and I've never heard a trawler song. To be fair, how many Leeds fans know of a connection between Hull and trawlers ??

I have, but a very long time ago.

Definitely pre-SL era it was chanted - before or after singing "Get Your Fathers Gun..." - sometime circa late 70's or early 80's - ish.

"Sing When You're Mining" was also quite popular during the 80's Miners Strike when the mining communities were doing it really tough during Thatcher govts war against them. It was chanted loudly by southstanders particularly during the half time break in games against Castleford when their fans were walking past to change ends pitchside, as fans were allowed to do back then.

Always been classless have some southstanders and on a par with the thruppeny mob over at Hull.

Absolutely. Given, in general, the impeccably generous, welcoming and partisan nature of crowds at sports stadiums in this country and across the world, I'm surprised the South Stand hasn't been closed for encouraging such despicably anti-social behavior.

All clubs have their fair share though, would you not agree?

Mocking the dead and others associated with trades which have represented working class communities in harsh conditions and with such distinction, and whose cultural demographic roots are indelibly intertwined with rugby league, is about as low as it gets.

Indeed, and you make an interesting observation about what passed as acceptable behavior by sports fans 40 odd years ago. Not really applicable to the people who watch from the south stand today though is it?

Just because others have their fair share doesn't make it right.

Anyhow, a response was required to someone keen to paint southstanders in a more favourable light than they deserve.

I didn't expect anyone else on this forum to provide such a response, so I guess it was up to me all along to keep things real

Todays mob wouldn't have a clue about the trawler industry in Hull or the disasters that have cost thousands of Hull fishermen their lives. I'm guessing that's probably a good thing.

Is Jeff having a conversation with himself?

Did Phil Daly tell you to say that?

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Yeah. Your well known to the media lot. They do laugh and joke.

Shouldn't make fun of the mentally ill.

Yeah, it was a bit of a low blow to the challenged one.

Can't be bothered to read through all the petty one-upmanship, but it's disturbing how many people are handbag grabbing in RL right now. I'm a Hull Fan, but I didn't break down in tears when your lot sang "Down with your trawlers". I've never cared when a player on the floor has met chants of "I hope he's ****ing dead". I laugh when you sing "Sing when you're fishing..."

I don't agree with racist chanting, but anything else is fair game to me. I know I'm in a minority in the modern World, but I wouldn't change any of the South Stands chants. I despise all the brass band nonsense much more than any Hull abuse I hear.

Regarding Zak, the biggest complainer from our board regularly uses much more homophobic terms in the pub than Zak has done on the field. It's ridiculous knee jerk reaction from everyone outside of the Leeds club. Even if Zak DID say something intentionally homophobic (which I don't believe he did), it's absolutely nothing compared to some on field actions of many players. It's rank hypocrisy across the board, mostly from people that have never defended LGBT rights in prior, much more serious situations.

Same with Todd Carney. So he ed into his own gob?!?! Who did this hurt exactly? And yet there's all these moral crusaders jumping out of the woodwork condemning Catalans for signing who should/could be the best player in the comp next season.