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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Buderus was only released from the final year of his contract, amicably.
Eastwood had obviously not settled and missed Oz and his family, he certainly didn't just want-out to go elsewhere in SL, he was allowed to go, reluctantly but apparently amicably.
Tomkins saw out five years and then signed to say he wouldn't go to Union, Wigan send him off, again amicably, with a clause that they'll get first refusal if/when he returns.
Whitehead, on the other hand, had only just signed a new five-year deal and then two months later commented that the club wasn't going anywhere and he wanted-out.
Big difference ... would you pick a player who openly denigrates your club?
Cummins was right.
Would I want him as head coach at Headingley? Hmm, probably not, some of the players are still too senior to his ex-player standing at Leeds and, whilst he's done the John-Kear-style underdogs-showing-what-they're-made-of thing very well, I don't think he has the long term ability anyway.'"
I do not remember Elliott Whitehead openly denigrating his club. What I remember is Francis Cummins going to the press and repeating private conversations between him, the player and his agent. It wasn't a couple of months when Elliott Whitehead decided enough was enough - it was [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22795367OVER A YEAR[/url.
I certainly wouldn't want Cummins at our club just yet.
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| Quote ="G1"Damo has made his peronal life and his "work efforts" part of dsicussion on the site. He's asked for feedback.'"
You know as well as I do there is a context to what he posts on here and that's all I'm prepared to say on that matter. Give the kid a break FFS and leave the back-to-work pontificating to the tories.
Quote ="G1"AFAIK Andy Gilder has never asked for his personal life to be discussed on the forum (nor have other users who use the forum that you should consider).'"
I'm sure Gilder can fight his own battles. Those with the morals of an alley cat usually can. He's never been shy at coming forward on here with his own digs at other people's personal expense.
Quote ="G1"As for hypocrites, should you even be posting as the last time you had a tantrum you vowed never to return?'"
Your alpha male status is safe on here. There, even I've just acknowledged it. Happy now?
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| Nice to see the bitches are still at it!
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"Nice to see the bitches are still at it!'"
For the LIVE OF GOD.... etc.
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| You got it Jeffers!
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| Quote ="William Eve"
Your alpha male status is safe on here. There, even I've just acknowledged it. Happy now?'"
Bow you head and back away slowly, avoiding eye contact as I beat my chest.
You're right, not my battle and should have done like those involved and ignored it.
Just annoyed I backed myself into a corner with Gotcha and he wants me to make frikkin chains now. Manual labour. Pah!
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| Quote ="G1"Damo has made his peronal life and his "work efforts" part of dsicussion on the site. He's asked for feedback.'"
I never asked for feedback on this or the other [url=http://viewtopic.php?p=17595454&tsmp=1381160494#p17595454recent thread though[/url. If mentioning something that someone wrote on this forum in the past can be used against people in any thread then where does it stop?
When it comes to b[ii[/itchfighting I'm afraid there's no rules and it's just a case of who can be the most insulting. If material can't be found on here then it can be found elsewhere. I'm sure none of us want to go down that avenue and so let's just try and keep it to banter from now on..
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| The Tory Conference & Daily Mail headlines had set me on a downward spiral I had not experienced for a good while. Wigan's victory almost finished me off. This thread has shown me life is worth living after all.
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| You made it part of the domain in the first place, not me. Nor did I bully you on this thread, simply made a mild mannered comment about Finland.
You like the attention, it's why you're so keen to discuss your personal life ad nauseum.
That said, I am more than happy, nay delighted, to see no further posts about your personal life or career efforts.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"What's today's lesson? Spelling?
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Funny..
Quote ="G1"He's learning a new language for his trip to Finland.'"
Moderately funny but a poor joke - can do better..
Quote ="Fat Boy"I'm hoping you mean when you finish college in July.'"
Found this hilarious..
Quote ="craigizzard"We can't wait 20 years.'"
Going a bit too far IMO.
Quote ="Andy Gilder"It's a spelling error.
He meant collage. Got the leaves on ok, but having trouble getting the glitter to stick over the crayon apparently.'"
You got the reply you deserved from William. We all know what you're trying to indicate towards..
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| Quote ="G1"You made it part of the domain in the first place, not me. Nor did I bully you on this thread, simply made a mild mannered comment about Finland.
You like the attention, it's why you're so keen to discuss your personal life ad nauseum.
That said, I am more than happy, nay delighted, to see no further posts about your personal life or career efforts.'"
You are correct regarding this thread but they was no need for the dig on the other. Besides it didn't bother me but if you think I like negative attention then you've got me so wrong.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I do not remember Elliott Whitehead openly denigrating his club. What I remember is Francis Cummins going to the press and repeating private conversations between him, the player and his agent. It wasn't a couple of months when Elliott Whitehead decided enough was enough - it was [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22795367OVER A YEAR[/url.
I certainly wouldn't want Cummins at our club just yet.'"
You're right, it was just over a year into a five year deal.
Nonetheless, he was reported as saying that Bradford weren't progressing, that there was nothing that Cummins or Bradford could have done better but that he just wanted out to play for a top four club.
Not the sort of attitude you want to be hearing about at training or in the dressing room.
Since then, he has said that he and Cummins didn't get on and that his perceived dip in form was due to that.
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| Quote ="G1"Bow you head and back away slowly, avoiding eye contact as I beat my chest.'"
Here's an olive branch and don't snap it!
Quote ="G1"You're right, not my battle and should have done like those involved and ignored it.'"
Like I said, he can fight his own battles. He enjoys dishing it out so I expect him to be prepared to take it in return. His post went way beyond insulting IMO and got the response it warranted. Actually, on reflection... the response didn't go far enough.
Quote ="G1"Just annoyed I backed myself into a corner with Gotcha and he wants me to make frikkin chains now. Manual labour. Pah!'"
Making chains? WTF? As the thread-starter, I do believe I've provided the fertile base for your impending labour-intensive job misery, even though I could not legitimately be held responsible for the way the thread developed in the way it did. I'd be more than happy to help out by sharing your workload if Gotcha doesn't mind?
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| Quote ="William Eve"Making chains? WTF? As the thread-starter, I do believe I've provided the fertile base for your impending labour-intensive job misery, even though I could not legitimately be held responsible for the way the thread developed in the way it did. I'd be more than happy to help out by sharing your workload if Gotcha doesn't mind?'" We've been exchanging messages, I can say no more than that at this stage. negotiations are in a delicate state and I may have already blotted my copybook with the "boss".
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"You're right, it was just over a year into a five year deal.
Nonetheless, he was reported as saying that Bradford weren't progressing, that there was nothing that Cummins or Bradford could have done better but that he just wanted out to play for a top four club.
Not the sort of attitude you want to be hearing about at training or in the dressing room.
Since then, he has said that he and Cummins didn't get on and that his perceived dip in form was due to that.'"
It was the clubs and the coaches responsibility to offer something better to Elliott Whitehead. I'm sure there's plenty of players throughout Super League who want to play for a top four club but can't do for various reasons. I'm sure there's players who don't get on with coaches but they have a professional job to do so personal feelings get put aside. Most players go through a perceived dip in form at some point in their careers whoever the coach is. These reasons were not good enough to drop Elliott till he found a new club.
I'm sure if Cummins allowed Whitehead to play till he signed for another club then he would have given his last games for Bradford his best shot so he could make himself more attractive to a top four club.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It was the clubs and the coaches responsibility to offer something better to Elliott Whitehead. I'm sure there's plenty of players throughout Super League who want to play for a top four club but can't do for various reasons. I'm sure there's players who don't get on with coaches but they have a professional job to do so personal feelings get put aside. Most players go through a perceived dip in form at some point in their careers whoever the coach is. These reasons were not good enough to drop Elliott till he found a new club.
I'm sure if Cummins allowed Whitehead to play till he signed for another club then he would have given his last games for Bradford his best shot so he could make himself more attractive to a top four club.'"
Whatever other players would want is irrellevant when it comes down to being a decent pro and not having a sh## attitude.
Whiteheads form prior to his transfer request being made public was enough to warrant him getting dropped then to openly state he didn't want to be there and what we obviously now know not getting on with the coach also warrants him getting dropped.
The bottom paragraph doesn't apply because he'd already being under-performing and asked to leave!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Whatever other players would want is irrellevant when it comes down to being a decent pro and not having a sh## attitude.
Whiteheads form prior to his transfer request being made public was enough to warrant him getting dropped then to openly state he didn't want to be there and what we obviously now know not getting on with the coach also warrants him getting dropped.
The bottom paragraph doesn't apply because he'd already being under-performing and asked to leave!'"
Mate - don't rise to him. Damo has changed his provocative and usually contrary subject matter but his ultimate aim is still the same - to deliberately be controversial. I doubt he even believes half of the stuff he posts but does it to get a rise from the majority. Its a form of trolling, although I'll give him is due, he his far more subtle these days which hints towards a certain level of intelligence not usually found in someone with his employment attitude.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy" ... his ultimate aim is still the same - to deliberately be controversial...'"
He wouldn't be alone in that!
I think he's sincere on this, maybe he knows Whitehead or something.
I don't agree with his point, but that's what the message board is all about.
I wouldn't discuss it with him if I thought he was just trolling.
But I could be wrong.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds" Reading between the lines it seems Bradford might have promised Elliott more than what they could deliver future-wise.'"
An argument based on you reading between the lines along with a 'might' thrown in is a hell of a solid argument.
Kudos.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Or in your case, it'd be décolletage would it not?
Anyone but your spouse's, obviously.'"
Aww bless.
It thinks I care what it thinks.
Sweet really.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Aww bless.
It thinks I care what it thinks.
Sweet really.'"
I'd be surprised if you cared what anyone thinks.
That would obviously include your spouse.
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| Well, this has all turned a bit nasty hasn't it?
I think we should all settle down, have a slice or three of cake and get some love started.
Platonic love.
To begin with at least.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Well, this has all turned a bit nasty hasn't it?
I think we should all settle down, have a slice or three of cake and get some love started.
Platonic love.
To begin with at least.'"
Shut up.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Shut up.'"
Hey. Less hate. Come on big guy, let's hug it out.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Hey. Less hate. Come on big guy, let's hug it out.'"
I'm not just going to be a notch on your bedpost.
**flounces away**
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