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| Quote ="rollin thunder"If I was cronulla or any other club, would you want to splash out any transfer fee under any circumstances to sign a player who has already renegaded on one contract, what's to say he did agree a smaller salary and cronulla pay a transfer fee then he decides to f*** of again.'"
The trouble is that Leeds have been a soft touch for years and years allowing players to leave for a paltry or no fee at all.Gary Spencer,Craig Innes, Sheridan,Hay,Pratt,Buderus etc.
In the current climate i.e Sale V Cas its about time they made a stand with regard to honouring contracts. The thing about players agents is just a smoke screen,agents are'nt doing their job properly if they hold a petty vendetta against a particular club.
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| Sheridan, hay and pratt were told to find another club and weren't wanted, so how you could expect a fee I aren't sure
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| Quote ="Superted"He could - but it means moving to the other side of the world, and given the opportunity to earn similar money and stay nearer his family, I don't blame him for wanting to take that option instead - and given it was only a matter of weeks after the deadline, and Leeds are now sorted, Leeds should just let him do that and move on.'" Its the only option he has. Nobody else is willing to pay the necessary amount to employ him.
Quote Absolutely, but thems the current rules. I don't think Leeds have done anything wrong, I just don't see the point in holding him to task, even though Leeds are well within their rights to do so. Each case should be looked at on merit, and in this case, there's no lasting damage, so move on.'" Well the point is to get the value of their asset rather than giving it away, the lasting damage being to lose their asset for nothing.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Quote ="Superted"He could - but it means moving to the other side of the world, and given the opportunity to earn similar money and stay nearer his family, I don't blame him for wanting to take that option instead - and given it was only a matter of weeks after the deadline, and Leeds are now sorted, Leeds should just let him do that and move on.'" Its the only option he has. Nobody else is willing to pay the necessary amount to employ him.
Quote Absolutely, but thems the current rules. I don't think Leeds have done anything wrong, I just don't see the point in holding him to task, even though Leeds are well within their rights to do so. Each case should be looked at on merit, and in this case, there's no lasting damage, so move on.'" Well the point is to get the value of their asset rather than giving it away, the lasting damage being to lose their asset for nothing.'"
The thing is, he doesn't have any option, because Leeds stated very early that he wouldn't be welcome back and his contract had been terminated, but are insisting on a fee for him to play elsewhere - they can't have it both ways in my eyes, either open the door for him to return or let him walk
As for the value of their 'asset' - what value exactly is that now? What is he currently worth to Leeds? They're not going to play him as they have found and signed a replacement, so he's worth nothing to Leeds - and the old adage of something only being worth what someone is willing to pay comes into effect - nobody is willing to pay a fee.
So; throw in the fact that he's not an 'asset', he's a young bloke.... One who understandably decided he doesn't want to move to the other side of the world when he can do the same thing closer to home, better living conditions, better competition, playing with his mates and similar or maybe even better money.... it's obvious why he wants to stay there, and Leeds lose nothing by letting him do so, other than a bit of face - particularly after GH has been so vocal in the press, and I guess that's what it all boils down to. (I'm a massive GH fan by the way - one of the most important members of our club ever - I just think he's taking the wrong route with this one).
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| Quote ="Superted"The thing is, he doesn't have any option, because Leeds stated very early that he wouldn't be welcome back and his contract had been terminated, but are insisting on a fee for him to play elsewhere - they can't have it both ways in my eyes, either open the door for him to return or let him walk
As for the value of their 'asset' - what value exactly is that now? What is he currently worth to Leeds? They're not going to play him as they have found and signed a replacement, so he's worth nothing to Leeds - and the old adage of something only being worth what someone is willing to pay comes into effect - nobody is willing to pay a fee.
So; throw in the fact that he's not an 'asset', he's a young bloke.... One who understandably decided he doesn't want to move to the other side of the world when he can do the same thing closer to home, better living conditions, better competition, playing with his mates and similar or maybe even better money.... it's obvious why he wants to stay there, and Leeds lose nothing by letting him do so, other than a bit of face - particularly after GH has been so vocal in the press, and I guess that's what it all boils down to. (I'm a massive GH fan by the way - one of the most important members of our club ever - I just think he's taking the wrong route with this one).'"
As you rightly say if Leeds have terminated his contract but keeping his registration there comes a point where it has echoes that would have upset William Wilberforce.
On the other hand Leeds have suffered here and had to
Pay Manly a fee to get a replacement. Whether cronulla tapped him up or he just wants to play with his mates, Leeds should get something.
With just over 1 month before NRL season starts I reckon an undisclosed fee is coming soon.
If Cronulla really do not want to pay anything having signed Cherrington and not tapped him up, Segeyaro or his agent have made a big error.
I still expect an undisclosed fee, could be 20 grand and a bag of conkers.
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| Quote ="Superted"The thing is, he doesn't have any option, because Leeds stated very early that he wouldn't be welcome back and his contract had been terminated, but are insisting on a fee for him to play elsewhere - they can't have it both ways in my eyes, either open the door for him to return or let him walk'" He terminated his contract when he said he wasnt going to come back.
Quote As for the value of their 'asset' - what value exactly is that now? What is he currently worth to Leeds? They're not going to play him as they have found and signed a replacement, so he's worth nothing to Leeds - and the old adage of something only being worth what someone is willing to pay comes into effect - nobody is willing to pay a fee.'" His registration is worth £250k
Quote So; throw in the fact that he's not an 'asset', he's a young bloke.... One who understandably decided he doesn't want to move to the other side of the world when he can do the same thing closer to home, better living conditions, better competition, playing with his mates and similar or maybe even better money.... it's obvious why he wants to stay there, and Leeds lose nothing by letting him do so, other than a bit of face - particularly after GH has been so vocal in the press, and I guess that's what it all boils down to. (I'm a massive GH fan by the way - one of the most important members of our club ever - I just think he's taking the wrong route with this one).'" That being the case he shouldnt have taken the security that a 2 year contract with Leeds gave him. It is a two way street. Segeyaro can't expect the benefits, financial and securitywise of a two year deal without the commitment of a two year deal. If he wants to break that deal, he should pay the penalties of doing so.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"His registration is worth £250k'"
No it isn't.
It is worth whatever some club or someone is willing to pay for his registration, which is currently Sweet FA.
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| Quote ="William Eve"No it isn't.
It is worth whatever some club or someone is willing to pay for his registration, which is currently Sweet FA.'" That also works both ways. Its value is not only what someone is willing to pay, but what the owner is willing to accept.
Its also important to remember that Segeyaros value right now to a buyer is nothing, Will that be the case when NRL clubs find out they cant just get a player to p1ss and moan and get them for free? will that be the case when a club light on hookers loses one to injury? will it be the case closer to the season when Cronulla need to start finalising their squad?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That also works both ways. Its value is not only what someone is willing to pay, but what the owner is willing to accept.
Its also important to remember that Segeyaros value right now to a buyer is nothing, Will that be the case when NRL clubs find out they cant just get a player to p1ss and moan and get them for free? will that be the case when a club light on hookers loses one to injury? will it be the case closer to the season when Cronulla need to start finalising their squad?'"
There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right
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| Quote ="Superted"There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right'"
Because he essentially refused to turn up to work.......if people were to do that in normal jobs they wouldn't be earning.
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| Quote ="Superted"There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right'" He has chosen not to. Freedom to accept another contract was the opportunity cost of HIS acceptance of his Leeds contract.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Quote ="Superted"There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right'"
Because he essentially refused to turn up to work.......if people were to do that in normal jobs they wouldn't be earning.'"
They'd be sacked... Have their contract terminated... have a bad reference... but they'd be free to pick up alternative employment in any field immediately. I get rugby league contracts are different, but it still doesn't sit right with me.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Quote ="Superted"There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right'" He has chosen not to. Freedom to accept another contract was the opportunity cost of HIS acceptance of his Leeds contract.'"
Completely get that - but in these circumstances, I still feel that's harsh and would prefer a more understanding approach from Leeds.
Don't expect anyone to come around to my way of thinking, and this sort of situation is always going to get people having different views. I've shared mine, don't think there's much more to add from my point of view. Be interesting to see how it plays out!
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| Quote ="Superted"They'd be sacked... Have their contract terminated... have a bad reference... but they'd be free to pick up alternative employment in any field immediately. '"
Segeyaro is free to go find a job in another field if earning money is the big concern. Ben Barba has been working on a construction site during his suspension, maybe Segeyaro should do that.
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| I wonder if Leeds would have taken a different stance is Segeyaro didn't say he was isolated and looking at 4 walls. From what he put on twitter and the interaction with his teammates, they went out of their way to help him settle in. Sure that was a kick in the proverbial the club don't want to lay down and take. We've shown in the past (Eastwood) that done the right way from a players point, the club won't hold them for ransom
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| Superted is Segeyaro ?
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Superted is Segeyaro ?'"
Haha..... Other than me being big, fat, lazy, white and not quite as good at rugby (I'm happy to play down the actual gap in our abilities), you could be right.... oh no, wait.... I'm a man of my word!
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| Quote ="Superted"Haha..... Other than me being big, fat, lazy, white and not quite as good at rugby (I'm happy to play down the actual gap in our abilities), you could be right.... oh no, wait.... I'm a man of my word!'"
Are we still talking about Greg Eastwood?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Segeyaro is free to go find a job in another field if earning money is the big concern. Ben Barba has been working on a construction site during his suspension, maybe Segeyaro should do that.'"
I bet Segeyaro wishes he could be where Barba is going!!
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| No he would be homesick ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"No he would be homesick
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Did Joel Moon tell you to say that? ![Cool icon_cool.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_cool.gif)
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| For what it is worth I reckon Parcell will make you lot forget Chico pretty quickly. I tried to find the odds on Parcell for Man of Steel but can't find any agencies that have him up. I reckon he will have a great season and could be worth a small bet if the odds are right.
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| Quote ="meatymeaty"For what it is worth I reckon Parcell will make you lot forget Chico pretty quickly. I tried to find the odds on Parcell for Man of Steel but can't find any agencies that have him up. I reckon he will have a great season and could be worth a small bet if the odds are right.'"
He's 25-1 on SkyBet, who are a bit lazy with their odds for RL. Ben Currie is also 25-1 for MOS and Manfredi 16-1 for top try scorer yet both are going to miss most of the season with knee injuries.
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| I reckon that, in addition to the requirement of decent performances, Parcell's MOS chances will depend on Leeds winning a trophy. Rightly or wrongly, failure to do so will lead to him being regarded as part of a team that underachieved. Paradoxically, should we pick one up he'll be considered to have turned the side round.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Did Joel Moon tell you to say that?
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Did Chicko's team of mental health specialists tell you to say that?
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| Quote ="Clearwing"I reckon that, in addition to the requirement of decent performances, Parcell's MOS chances will depend on Leeds winning a trophy. Rightly or wrongly, failure to do so will lead to him being regarded as part of a team that underachieved. Paradoxically, should we pick one up he'll be considered to have turned the side round.'"
It's a player vote and it takes place before the playoffs so doesn't depend on winning a trophy and we've the likes of Chase win at Cas when they finished 9th I believe and Solomona got close last year for them too.
History suggests that pivot/spine players at 1,6,7 & 9 are more likely to win it though.
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