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| Quote ="DISA"Think about it.
At the start of the season the plan was to play Smith in the centres. Do we agree on that?
I agree with you that there was no proof he would excell there.
Now the players have been talking about in the club with the management, that perhaps the better option would be for Webb to play centre and Smith play fullback.
IMO that suggests the club dont think Webb is actually "vastly superior" to Smith at fullback. It does however give the impression that the club see Webb highly enough and versatile to cover our problem centre spots, or just see him as a better option than Smith.'"
I don't read that as Smith is considered better than Webb at Fullback. I read it as either:
Leeds are stronger with Webb at Centre and Smith at Fullback. Slightly different. Webb could be an 8/10 fullback, and a 7/10 centre. Smith could be a 7/10 fullback, and a 5/10 centre. Which configuration is best?
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If its not break don't fix it. Smith is doing a great job at Fullback. Webb needs to win his place back, class player or not. The way to do that is to put Webb on the bench, or in an area where we don't have someone staking a claim, and where he could in theory play.
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| Quote ="G1"I see. Well that concludes the argument then. Some un-named players have allegedly been discussing playing Webb at centre. I can't rebut that. Case closed. Smith is obviously the better full back.................................noooooooooooooot
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You have gone back a few pages again and misread the post. Read again.
I said that was one option. Or it could be that club just see Webb as a better centre than Smith.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I don't read that as Smith is considered better than Webb at Fullback. I read it as either:
Leeds are stronger with Webb at Centre and Smith at Fullback. Slightly different. Webb could be an 8/10 fullback, and a 7/10 centre. Smith could be a 7/10 fullback, and a 5/10 centre. Which configuration is best?
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If its not break don't fix it. Smith is doing a great job at Fullback. Webb needs to win his place back, class player or not. The way to do that is to put Webb on the bench, or in an area where we don't have someone staking a claim, and where he could in theory play.'"
I agree with you. Thats how I see it too.
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| Is the delusional world of DISA open for business again.
Was it Phil that told you that players and management had been discussing it?
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| Quote ="pokerface"If we get Webb back!!! I keep looking for an update on him but cant find one, any idea how much longer he is out for?
BTW Smith was Leeds MOM for me.'"
Webb was one of the water carriers last night so clearly he's back running etc .
Good job he was our water carrier and not Manly's...he'd have been knackered
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| can't believe some people think they no more than mclenan!! Do you really think he has one all these trophies by puting random players in random positions! It is all part of his gameplan!
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| Quote ="tvoc"AdamRhinos and Kallum Watkins Left Boot (that's two right there
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| Lee Smith was excellent at full-back last night and has been so far this season. It will be interesting to see how he fairs at centre when Webb comes back from injury.
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| Quote ="DISA"Like I said, I dont want to get into arguments again about Smith.
However, he is not vastly inferior to Webb at fullback. Webb is a "proven" more consistent player, because Smith is much younger, that I agree. But Webb could have done nothing in those 6 games you mention that Smith has not done, and if anything Smith probably brought more to the table in a couple of those games.
Smith is certainly not inferior to Donald. That is a matter of opinion. But what Smith lacks in finishing speed he more than makes up for in the fact that unlike Donald he does not have a pea for a heart, and Smith is far better defensively, along with been far superior under a high ball. Thats where I struggle to see how he is second best, and that is not critisizing Donalds worth to the team, because he is a very good finisher.
As for Centre, you are probably right. There is no proof that Smith is a better overall centre than we have. He needs games there to prove that.
The only thing for certain is that Smith should be, and probably is, the first name on the team sheet when listing from 1 to 5, where ever that may be.'"
I'm not sure why anyone prefers Watkins and Hall to Smith. If smith is vastly inferior then they are vastly vastly vastly inferior.
Oh and if ginger ade gardner is "so great" lets see him operate as well as Smith did from right wing last season. Where some have been critical of Smiths performances on the right wing they're been less critical of others.
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I'm not sure why anyone prefers Watkins and Hall to Smith. If smith is vastly inferior then they are vastly vastly vastly inferior.
Oh and if ginger ade gardner is "so great" lets see him operate as well as Smith did from right wing last season. Where some have been critical of Smiths performances on the right wing they're been less critical of others.'"
I don't think you can defend Smith by showing how ignorant you are about other players talents. You just prove that your opinion is cobblers.
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I'm not sure why anyone prefers Watkins and Hall to Smith. If smith is vastly inferior then they are vastly vastly vastly inferior.
Oh and if ginger ade gardner is "so great" lets see him operate as well as Smith did from right wing last season. Where some have been critical of Smiths performances on the right wing they're been less critical of others.'" I prefer Watkins over Smith at centre simply because Smith hasn't shown he can play there, yet.
I prefer Smith to Hall.
When everyone is fit, Smith will be back occupying his best position on the right wing.
Do you have a man crush on Lee Smith? Do you send Donald hate mail every time he scores a try that you felt should have gone to Smith? Did you kick Brent Webb in the back last October?
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| Smith will only be our 1st choice fullback when Webb leaves. Hopefully that won't be for long, but here's hoping Smith will stick around for that day.
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| Money talks
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I don't read that as Smith is considered better than Webb at Fullback. I read it as either:
If its not break don't fix it. Smith is doing a great job at Fullback. Webb needs to win his place back, class player or not. The way to do that is to put Webb on the bench, or in an area where we don't have someone staking a claim, and where he could in theory play.'"
Correct.If a player is automatically selected when returning from injury, firstly the returning player could become complacent and secondly the inform player would think why the heck should I bother and who could blame him.Also Webb did not beat the first defender when returning kicks as well as in previous seasons and Smith is proving more effective at this so far.Tackling wise there is also little between them.
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| Quote ="Homer Simpson"Money talks'"
If that is true wouldn't every decent pro RL player be playing Union right now?
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| Well the wcc has come and gone so where's the smith to union announcement?????????
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| Quote ="tvoc"If that is true wouldn't every decent pro RL player be playing Union right now?'"
Nope. Only certain positions are close enough in terms of skills
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Nope. Only certain positions are close enough in terms of skills'"
But if this money really talks where's the evidence of the player drain in those positions?
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"Fielden built a career around it, he'll be OK.'"
And continues to do so.
[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=771How strange that someone with his previous in this regard is only warned[/url
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| Quote ="tvoc"But if this money really talks where's the evidence of the player drain in those positions?'"
Maybe they only want the 'best'. Which is why they took Wallker, Ashton, A knackered Vainikolo, A knackered up Farrell, Karl Pryce and a knackered Hape
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Maybe they only want the 'best'. Which is why they took Wallker, Ashton, A knackered Vainikolo, A knackered up Farrell, Karl Pryce and a knackered Hape
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Phew Smith's not injury prone yet, so we should be OK.
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| Quote ="STEVENM"Correct.If a player is automatically selected when returning from injury, firstly the returning player could become complacent and secondly the inform player would think why the heck should I bother and who could blame him.Also Webb did not beat the first defender when returning kicks as well as in previous seasons and Smith is proving more effective at this so far.Tackling wise there is also little between them.'"
I noticed that Smith seems to have returned the kicks better from FB but I think a large part would be teams look at Webbs tendencies and focus on him a little more. His work rate remains impressive at FB and he always looks a threat. He's certainly made sure we've not been lacking at 1 in Webbs absence so I don't think we'll be rushing him back before he's ready. Once he is ready you have to play Webb at 1 though
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| How long after the WWC Final is the news he's leaving to Union going to be announced?
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| Quote ="Glenn Morangie"How long after the WWC Final is the news he's leaving to Union going to be announced?
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| Im still waiting on this iminent statement about lee smith leaving!
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