To be fair to BM I'm not sure what else he could say publicly so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how rubbish we are and whether he can turn it around. I started off backing him this year, and more recently sitting on the fence. Regardless of who did what and when, I'm now of the opinion the coach has to go now or at the end of the year, or else nobody is taking any responsibility at all.

That was said on the basis that they'd actually try, at least of them didn't and in McGuire someone who will be way of match fit.

"Back in on Monday" will have been a figure of speech that you've taken too literally because you're actually enjoying this Leeds team struggle, we all remember your dummy spitting absence last year where it went wrong for you and you didn't like it and only popped up in the 2 periods when we went 3 games without winning a game.

You need to stop digging - the hole you are is beginning to consume you.

You start off with when we get all the players back it will be better - we get players back and its worse!!

So now its the players aren't trying - last week according to you the effort was there - which is it?

Now the players have to be 100% match fit

What will be next?

just accept you got it wrong and the current coaching set up isn't delivering.

If you talk to the correct people you get a better picture - Peacock was the stick a typical comment of his "Tomorrow I will not be able to walk so you need to get your act together" Davidson may have come up with fitness regime but Peacock enforced it. Sinfield was the carrot creating the correct culture to deliver when it mattered.

Stevie Wonder can see the coaching isn't working and needs a change - McDermott has been incredibly lucky - his luck just ran out.

Erm you were the one saying with McGuire back they'll beat Cas so you can stop with your usual hypocrisy.



And yes I stick by that the effort was there in some of the recent showings.....that doesn't mean it was there last night or I was wrong to say it was there in other games......coming from someone who stuck the boot into Golding for a bad night at Hudds you should understand that.

And yes players being match fit would help unless you've stumbled across some genius idea that not being match fit somehow makes you a better player?

There has not been a shred of improvement in this team between February and May, irrespective of the personnel available for selection

Individual defensive technique has collapsed, failure to win collision, and dominate the wrestle leads to the team constantly playing on the back foot

The attack has been woeful, week after week. The contrast with opponents set plays to move the ball wide with structure is clear every single week

The utter shambles of 6th tackle plays (when we get that far in a set) is embarrassing, caught in possession, failure to kick etc

Even individual skills appear to be going backwards, the quality of passing is regressing, slow, misdirected, often hitting the floor

If no one is panicking then its time they started. The responsibility for addressing the above in professional sport sits with the coaching team, and they are coming up horribly short

So McGuire wasn't match fit what are your excuses for Hardaker and Cuthbertson?

I actually thought the effort last night was pretty typical of the season so far - the last 20 minutes last night was as good as it has been for several weeks - so I think you are wrong.

I thought they would win last night, Cas had more injuries and more injuries to key players than Leeds and on paper they have a weaker squad and inferior training facilities.

So how do you explain a performance like that without questioning the effectiveness of both sets of coaches?

You can continue to scrape together even more excuses eventually you will reach a cul de sac and have to consider the coaching set up.

This club needs a big shake up - the first person out the door needs to be Zac followed by McDermott

Yes, criticising the effort (or lack of it) from the majority of the team last night is really making excuses.....again you just ramble on autopilot without reading.

Will agree about Hardaker. Think the effort from the oldest guys like JJB and Burrow is still there and from the youngest guys like Lilley and Golding, but that middle age group with the likes of Watkins, Singleton, Hall, Cuthbettson, Sutcliffe, Ferres, Walters etc. with Hardaker seemingly the core leader in the dressing room of that bracket seems a bad influence on the group and a millions miles away from what we had with Sinfield.

What I want to know is which day next week my Uncle Gary's 'Honestly its all ok and we should all really get behind the team and coach' email is going to arrive!

We at least agree on something that's a start.

Leeds look like a team that know they are going to get beat no matter what happens - that attitude needs addressing and if they don't believe what the coach is telling them then that also needs addressing

Thank goodness there's no crisis otherwise I hate to think what last night's scoreline could have been.

I think it's a real mistake as the team seem to feel it will all work out ok and that's the message this gives. I really like Brian Mc but he keeps saying the attitude is good and he is happy how the team are. Last night when ask if his targets have changed he said he didn't understand and he wants to win the grand final (More of less). He would have been far better to say "We need to get back to playing well, winning consistently and climb the table and see where that takes us"

I was amused when he came out with that, he should of said what you said. Maybe he thinks because its mathamatically possible you can but its not miracle possible.

I think it's probably been posted and I've defo heard it said,

But we simply can't defend a penalty.

If we give away a pen and the kick to touch is good that set is a 4/6 pointer for every team in the league.

If that doesn't change we could be in the million pound match. Then we are 80 minutes from the unthinkable.

I genuinely believe if we ended up in that position things would have been so bad we arnt staying up.

Every Leeds result so far this season had followed the exact same pattern, in that first to score went on to win the game.

That was until the Huddersfield Cup game and again on Friday V Castleford. Confidence has been low most of the season, it now appears almost non-existant even when leading.

Losing is a disease.

Sometimes the cure is someone to come in from outside and reboot the whole team. If we take BM and any number of players at their word, spirit is good and everyone continues to work very hard in training to put things right.

That doesn't match the performances Leeds are putting out, which look more and more like a team who's collective collapse in confidence and belief is almost complete, to the point that some of our most experienced players are failing to perform the most basic tasks either individually or collectively.

Cas' first try for me was a prime example of this. PTB nearly central and yet Leeds are very low on numbers on the right side defence. As a result they're spread too far apart, Cas move the ball left and the line (which wasn't straight or moving up as a unit) staggers, inviting Cas to take a one man tackle and offload for the try. Cas didn't do anything special at all, just played what they saw which was an amateur standard defence. Last year we would have seen players pushing from the inside helping make up numbers, and the line as a whole moving as a unit to defend.

How long do you honestly believe that the ticket buying masses will tolerate the BS that is being spun by the club?

We're constantly being told that there's a positive vibe in the camp and that it's just a matter of time before the boys 'click' and the results start coming. I read press releases, twitter and Facebook posts, emails for the CEO telling that all is good in da hood and things will get well soon.... honest!!!

Man up Gary and let us know what's really rotten in the State of Denmark. Something is fundamentally wrong.

Maybe BMcD has lost the dressing room or there is internal unrest over pay and all the players are proving a point - something is a miss and simply telling us that "is really not that bad" is just adding insult to injury.

If Leeds Rhinos were a restaurant it'd be struggling on Trip Advisor and banging out Groupon vouchers left, right and centre. The fact that it's not is simply down to the loyalty of its fan base and feeding that revenue stream with a constant line of BS is frankly insulting.

Tell us the truth GH - we deserve it!

What do you honestly think that'll achieve? People only want to know out of personal intrigue, not because they think it'll help the situation by airing dirty laundry.

I want to know because I nosy but as they say "a problem shared is a problem halved".

There are some basic principles to any form of customer service when things go wrong:

1. Apologise to your customer
2. Acknowledge that their expectations haven't been met
3. Explain to your customer why it went wrong
4. Explain what you're doing to put it right
5. Offer some sort of compensation for the poor service

Can't say I've seen any of those in anything that either Hetherington, McDermott or the players have come out with in the media this season. Lots of excuses, but not much else.

That's true for most normal businesses, however a professional sports team isn't a normal business and I don't know why people try and use comparisons to normal businesses to try and make a point.

Last time I checked most normal businesses aren't under the same spotlight as a sports team, especially certain individuals with microphones stuck in front of their faces in front of tv cameras on a weekly basis. Nor are their performances shown live on Sky Sports most weeks.

If we get an explanation/apology/future plans interview from GH then it should be only at seasons end, not now.

Leeds Cricket Football and Athletic Company Limited are indeed a normal business; their job is to make money. One of the products that they use to generate income is Leeds Rhinos.

Also you are confusing 'Performance' with product. What we see on Sky Sports is a product of LCFAC Ltd.

When you purchase a product or service you become a customer and with that you should expect some basic customer service; something the Leeds Rhinos are currently neglecting to provide.

Just because you believe that Rugby League isn't a 'normal' business doesn't me that its paying customers should be neglected.

Would agree with all of that.

So I take it when you go to the cinema and watch what turns out to be a disappointing film you demand Warner Brothers or Paramount to publicly apologise to you and tell you what they're going to do to make sure you're never disappointed again. Or if you buy an album and you don't end up liking it you demand you money back and an acknowledgment from the band that they messed up?

If I went to the pictures every week to watch a Paramount film and every week I was presented with 60 minutes of poor footage recorded on a 1987 camcorder while paying a premium price then I would indeed want compensating to some respect.

At least make your analogies some what comparable.