We didn’t perform during the season or peak at the end of the season. That's the problem.

Hmm, a rather strange but intriguing comment. What other motives do you think someone may have when they have posted something relating to their team on that team’s fans forum. If someone posted they were getting a season ticket for the first time in 10 years for X, Y and Z reasons what do you think their ulterior motive might be?

christ mr sack all the junior coaches players and everyone else is being positive again move on with whatever happened to you mate it really is boring been goin on for too long the lad at bottom end has a better win and development record than anyone inside and outside of the club at the level he coaches and he sends anythin from 12 to 14 up to academy a year where its fallen down is within the academy for some reason they cant get players past this next level currnet coach is avin a mare since he come in

walker was good so he rewarded by moving up and rightly so

club should do same with lad at bottom for me maybe he could take more thru to next level said it for years his teams play good footy and parents and players respect im too i see and hear it all the time when im watching our juniors

coaches in development jobs dont stay long term across how many head coaches we had had since mac if they aint good enuf theres loads of good kids just need a firsts coach that has the bottle to play em hopefully its this bloke we have in place now mass sackings is not the answer so take a tablet and calm down fella
sacking kids coaches and blaming them for the demise of the first team over past few years is just red mist

You need to calm down. There was a post not three from the bottom of the thread agreeing with my earlier post to suggest everyone has moved on doesn't stack up.

At under 16 level the club has the pick of all the youngsters in west Yorkshire - they should be good at that point. Given the greater element of their development has occurred at amateur club level how much enhancement is the set up at Leeds giving at that stage?

I fully agree with you that the club struggles to progress players through from that stage to elite level. It could be right at the very start. Because we need to field 17 players at U16 we take on too many kids who will never progress and as such hold back the talented ones.

Part of the shake up could be the progression of certain coaches into different roles - a re-set doesn't mean everyone goes. It means a radical overhaul of what is currently in place. Which even Stevie Wonder can see isn't fit for purpose.

I would suggest the issues are at two ends - scouting and senior management. Are getting the right kids i.e. not just talented players but players who see elite RL as a career. Are we working closely enough with the amateur clubs to identify the correct youngsters. Is the development system and its direction appropriate.

One definition of madness is the repeat the same actions and expecting a different outcome. What is it that Wigan do that we don't?

that is a better more thought out post zoo zoo its more thought out and i agree with a lot of it, that said you have stated on a lot of occasions get rid of them all complete clearout my take as a nutural going to both scholarship and academy games the club dont have best in class, a matty1978 quote in their coaching roles and there is a bloke and i am guessing his staff that need to be allowed to step up, i do not agree with we recruit the best at that level at all we should but we dont far from it but that is another story despite the soundbites we see on the website i do not know about the relatioships with community clubs i know when i coached we had rhinos coaches on the ground supporting i dunt know if it happens now as i have stopped coaching i thought wigan played the same amount of home grown players as we did in the first team last year? so again this fabrication that others are doing better than us is untrue like all clubs there is a lot of good stuff the club does at the bottom end but there is a ton of stuff they need to be better at, and is that all down to the coaches who are part time as you have stated on more than one occasion.

I’m not sure the required quality or number of kids are still coming through particularly in the Leeds area itself. The demographic has changed quickly and dramatically in Leeds over the last 10 to 15 years and I’m not sure it’s been beneficial in keeping the sport relevant in certain areas. I was born in Harehills for example, how many rugby pitches are we likely to see in one of the most densely populated areas in Europe ? Even in the schools you’d probably struggle to find one. The same is probably true of areas like Armley, Burmantofts, Holbeck, Chapeltown and many other districts. Compare and contrast with Wigan and St Helens, there’s probably a rugby pitch in every school and more public ones dotted around the town. The demographic will be more traditional white English with an inherent passion for Rugby League. I think the cultural diversity that could be a massive benefit in Leeds is in fact becoming detrimental to the sport. I think one Mik Oledzki every ten years would be a really poor return for the huge influx of different nationalities in the city of Leeds. Do I see it changing ? Don’t expect to see the first Roma descent Leeds Rhinos player anytime soon.

good post

Avin a mare enough

where is Junior Ensemba from? Maybe our elite coaching team should ask politely where such potential is sourced.

Avin a mare enough

where is Junior Ensemba from? Maybe our elite coaching team should ask politely where such potential is sourced.

Born and raised in Wigan

What about the post Golden era?

Could see us lining up something like this next season.

Miller
Hall
Connor
Newman
Handley
Croft
New Halfback
Mik
Ackers
RCG
New Second Rower
Bentley
Smith

New Prop
Holroyd / New Prop
Gannon / McDonnell
O’Connor

Then we need depth.

I think Bentley will move to becoming a middle forward full time from the bench next season

Can't see RCG leaving the NRL.
And from what Matt Shaw said in his article we won't be signing a Martin replacement, but rather running with Bentley/McDonnell/Gannon(+Littlewood?)
It does sound like we'll be getting 2 new props though, we really need to get them right this time

Would love it to be RCG, but I very much doubt it. I don't think Frawley will leave either. Arthur seems happy with him even if large parts of the fanbase are not. Instead, I think he will use Connor ( if signed) as a genuine spine utility covering injury and lack of form at full back and halfback. If Mom leaves I think he'll use the quota spot for a big athletic ball carrying 3/4, either wing or centre. Would be great to a sign second row, but I think we'd need add an English prop for that to happen.

The post-golden era woes, as far as I understand, are purely on-field issues. In 1996 the club really did face oblivion financially.

The bad times post-2015 may feel worse because we were spoiled for the preceding decade. We talk of the GF win of 2017, the CC win of 2020 and even making the GF in 2022 as 'papering over the cracks', but these achievements are still better than anything the club did for most of the 80s and 90s.

Now we are more frustrated with the club's inability to turn a strong financial, resources and infrastructure position into on-field success.

I suspect there are differing opinions of what minimum success looks like. During the golden years there were quite a few posters on here who were constantly predicting our demise and the need to replace coaches and players. They will not be happy with anything short of the playing roster of the NRL champions. And then there are those of us who just want Leeds to get back into the top clutch of teams in SL, and at least have the potential to be title contenders every year, even if we don't win every time.

There were a number of us who started worrying about the lack of succession planning before the Goldens ended. As it turns out our worst fears were realised. There clearly was no succession plan worth the name. Junior development had ceased to produce real star quality and we continually signed average players to replace great ones. McDermott stayed too long and had to be sacked, and then Furner-Agar-Smith were poor choices of coach.

Its definitely the case that even since 2015 we've been far more successful than the 80s and 90s. But we've also flirted with relegation several times, and the poor seasons just feel worse after the riches we'd previously seen. For me the issue is that with better management the relative decline could have been stopped years ago, and we really ought to have rebuilt properly way before now.

But it does feel like Arthur may be the coach to at least turn the ship around on the field, and in Blease we at least have an up to date professional managing the club. So I actually feel relatively hopeful for the next couple of seasons.

If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor.

Oh, sit down…

You know, I almost went for that line when I wrote that. I thought I was getting away with it...

I’ve been getting away with it all my life…

In the 80/90s you had one dominant side in Wigan - the only full time side in northern RL and they could compete with the very best in the NRL. Furner was a bad choice but the team was already in decline. This was compounded by employing Agar who was "last man standing" and eager to have the job. Covid was a challenge for all in the sport as it was for many businesses and coming just after a massive investment in the stadium timing couldn't have been worse.

Most fans just want the team to play at "elite" level where the basic skills are performed to a high standard in an entertaining brand of rugby. The players should have a pride in their professionalism including their fitness - something sadly lacking at Leeds.

How many on here can say they look forward to attending games - how many attend because "that is what we do"

I used to really enjoy watching Murray's teams play - they were tough, skillful and totally committed plus they had real superstars in Harris,Goddin, Morley and Blackmore backed up by a host of talented players - Newton, Sheridan, Cummins etc. All topped of with a coach who understood what it was to be a fan and his joy at being in his role was evident to everyone.

I don't expect the team to win every game I just want to be entertained.

If we don't recruit the best youngsters where are they going?

My decision on Season Ticket will depend on the revue and implementation of the game rules. Which deserves its own post.

What we do, recruit etc wont influence that, but if course i want us to challenge next year.

you tell me you are the one wanting all the kids coaches sacked so you must be across it all plenty of articles and crosrefrencing you can do to join up the dots over the past few years about young players from the area at other clubs keep you busy and stop you moaning about the club all the time