Ok, I'm gonna be controversial. I didn't think Leeds where that bad. Ok stop laughing, that first half, Leeds shut Saints down as did Saints to Leeds.

So this shows you have the players who can defend, but attacking wise Burrows and Maguire offered Leeds nowt. I can understand all the agro going to Sinfield, but he was the only attacking option for Leeds. He had to try something. Webb looked injured still and much slower than we are used to seeing, he offered nothing to the attacking line. Burrows and Maguire, well they just did zip when Leeds had good field position. You missed Seniors offensive capabilities. Defensively Leeds where ok. Saints had a blitz for 10 -15 minutes. But I thought we where not at our best either attacking wise. Defensively we were solid for 60 minutes and pretty untested by any organised Leeds attack.

In the end Saints will always run a blitz at some point we did against Wigan, you just have to be able to get some points yourself.

They maybe leeds favourites but I think your backline needs a shake up, the team can defend, but no team can defend for 80 mins, without some points being scored.

Didn't know getting beat by 7 points was a hammering these days........

brian mcdermott twinned with john kear, 5 drives and a kick borefest

I dont mind that if it gets us into good field position and then we then look like we know how to use the ball. Sadly, we dont. We just rely on offloads to break teams down which is all very well and good against the other teams in SL. Against the top 4 though it has been shown up badly and all they do is wrap the ball carrier up. We were lucky to score tonight to be fair. Saints switched off big time and im going to go as far as saying we were worse than the week before.

And not that I want to single anyone out because you cant, but the ankle tap apart, Webb was woeful last night. I hope no Widnes were there last night because if thats what they have to look forward to I think they'd be a bit dissapointed.

You got to love the wire fans. How long and how many coaches did it take them to actually win a game against the stains ?

wirew*n*er............. you beat an injury ravaged saints side with inexperienced youngsters. well guess what mate, those youngsters are now battle hardened and the next time we meet, you may still well beat us, but it wont be a walk over, and you may even get a surprise and we come out of the game victorious.
you may be having a decent season so far, get a few injuries, that changes matey boy but come back in say 10 years when youve been consistently at the top winning every trophy on offer and then you can say wires are a decent team.
school starts back next week doesnt it!!

When did we get so sh-t?

when we employed a coach that thinks we should be playing basketball...

I know Leeds aren't performing well so far this season, but surely it's not this bad......

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Hmmm. Size 38/40. Rules out Gledhill and Adey then....

rules out most on here. except me of course

You do know it's chest size not waist size don't you Tad...

Jimmy Lowes shirt i reckon, He just getting confused in what team he was playing for at that time bless him,

He has to share is brain cell with Brian u know!!

have to say i'm a bit embarrassed with the comments from that wire poster.

Maybe the poor showing is a blessing in disguise. McDermott was always going to become coach when Mclennan left. At least with Mclennan leaving early, the subject of McDermott being a poor coach has been identified earlier before we make any major changes to the playing staff. If a new coach comes in either this year or next, at least it will be his team that will be playing week in week out and not just a case of re-signing dad's army for 2012.

What we have to be careful of is other clubs coming in and making offers for the likes of BJB, Watkins, Hardaker, Ambler, Amor, McShane, Hood et al. We should be moulding the future squad around players like Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield, Peacock etc now giving them experience so when the changes come we don't have a full squad of rookies on the field.

Last year.

If we are going to get into daft name calling,every time I do a delivery in Leeds and see the "Welcome to Leeds " sign,I always think, "You certainly are."

Hit a nerve have I? Lighten up.

Whilst born and bred in Leeds I haven't lived there for over 4 years and I am proud to be a Loiner.

Not at all bud,I don`t live in,or come from Hull.
(One bit of banter deserves another eh?)

No. The decline started last year, but it was always going to happen at some point. The fact is at the start of last season we were absolutely ravaged by injuries. At times there were 11 missing. I remember that game at wigan away when Tom Bush, Amor etc, all had to play. That put us behind the 8 ball a bit but we still recovered to finish 4th in the league. And that woeful CC cup final aside, generally they gave the big teams a really good game - see CC run and beating all the top teams in the league at least once.

I could have seen last years team, despite there being some v poor displays, going to Saints and making it a real game. Do you really see us going to the league winners in the playoffs and winning? Or beating the teams who finished 5th 1st and 2nd and get to the CC final.

Leeds record against the top 4 this season is an absolute disgrace, shipping 30 plus and often many more nealy every game. Cant see this changing. I think 7th place this year. Catalans are much better than us for a start.

Last year I thought our best performance was against Melbourne Storm in the WCC,and I came away thinking we have a good chance of winning SL again this year,and I think we would not have been far away,but for the injuries.This season is different,but we should be at least competing.

We were in decline last year but not to this extent. All need to take blame. Some of the players are under performing. The manager is usless, and Gh seems to have made some grave errors in recruitment and player retention. Not to mention coach recruitment

That's the funniest thing I've read in years. [size=150One win in a decade[/size. Have a word with yourself.



































Wire need to dominate for the next four or five years at Old Trafford before they will be up there with Leeds and Saints. They are still no marks when it comes to silverware despite back to back cup wins.

Leeds are in decline no doubt but Wire will lose the spine of their team in the next two years. Let's see what happens when Briers, Hodgson, Monaghan x2 and Carvell and Morley have retired or moved on. Saints haven't dropped out of the top two in Super League in five years despite losing Long, Sculthorpe and Cunningham and replacing about 60% of the starting 17 in that time. Let's see if you can do the same. Unlikely.

Leeds need to ship out some of their former stars but not throw the baby out with the bath water or it will take some serious rebuilding.

Wire aren't up with Leeds or Saints???????? We've long since surpassed you. Look whose at the top of the league looking down at the rest and will still be there come September.

How many Challenge Cups have St Helens won in the last couple of years? And Leeds for that matter?

Wire are currently destroying all comers and are a shoe-in for the league and cup double.

It's just a question of which set of mugs will be put before us to be battered at Wembley and Old Trafford.

It's time the likes of Leeds and St Helens knew their place....so far behind Wire you need a telescope to see us.