In my time on here, the heated discussion last autumn about JJB modelling the new kit has been my personal favourite - some real passion from posters on different sides of the argument. I just can't wait to see if he models for next season too, then that thread might have a second-wind like this one as well!

I haven't seen it knocking around for a while but it was impressive.well over 100 pages iirc. Usually dredged back up when an opposition fan took grievance to mr.Bailey after game day, so quite often! Very amusing.

Not according to Stephen Fry

"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f--g what"

Have you thought about changing seats?


Get over to the VT quickly there's a thread about faux outrage from Saints fans who were tantalised by Skysports with the Hubcap before having it cruelly snatched away. Oh the humanity!

Just seen it, for the love of god.

Sky have apologised to Saints because some fans actually put in complaints that they felt Sky were purposely trying to humiliate them by showing the guy put the hubcap in the box and walk off.

World is going stupid.

i knew as did others on here.
i couldn't care less if he's gay or straight he's still a fkin rubbish referee!

Did you? Never heard it previously.

Couldn't care either. But would have been helpful if the players knew, may of avoided the problem.

He only actually came out publically though after that incident. Posting picture of his partner on facebook to highlight it.

i think it was well known in RL circles. i was told 2/3 years back by a RL employed gentleman

I blame the twittering generation


and the PC brigade for interferring with natural selection

...to which the next question should be "Why, why are you offended, what is it that causes such a powerful emotion in you, powerful enough to make you express it verbally rather than just thinking it".

If they can't explain that emotion then they don't know the meaning of the word and its simple bandwagon jumping.

Leeds are disingenuously creating a process defence which many Leeds fans have predictably rallied around. Who wouldn't rally around when there's a witch-hunt afoot against one of our own? But who cares about process? What really matters is did Hardaker commit an offence or not? I suspect he did, and the "it's only on-field banter/sledging" argument is weak and simplistic in a contemporary context. In the scales of offence this time compared to last the word/words were slightly less offensive, were slightly less viscously spewed out and, of course were not directed at a referee.

Personally I would have sacked him last time. Having not done so then it is difficult for the club to now, even before the defence they put out. He may be the best young player in the league but lesser players would have gone for what he did and there should be no exceptions.

There is also a culture aspect to this - Leeds have been strong under Sinfield's leadership for the past decade partly because, fundamentally, they were good people working hard and that helped create a strong team bond. The "good vs evil" divide in the league by Andy Wilson on SL Backchat reference Leeds and some other clubs vs Wigan does not relate to on-field thuggery alone. Imperfect, less dedicated individuals have gradually been weeded out of Leeds. Once again, Hardaker should be no exception.

I'm surprised at you.

Would you ever ask a black guy why he felt offended when called a "ni**er"? Or even ask why someone else might take offence at the word?

The fact that I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest at being called a puff, prick or whatever, does not prevent me from finding such names pejorative and I feel under absolutely no obligation to explain to you or anyone else why that is so

What, so because Hardaker has previously and might have again blurted out a gay insult in anger on a rugby pitch this is some sort of proof that he isn't dedicated or hard working?

Oh dear.

Why should he, or anyone else feel a need to "come out" at all, no matter what their sexual persuasion? If you were speaking to a non-white person on the telephone, do you expect them to declare their ethnicity at the beginning of the conversation?

If he had come out, do you think Hardaker may have called him a "f**king heterosexual"?

Now where did he say that?

Your last bit is pointless as he didn't say it to him anyway, but yes he might have considered the sensitive types around him had he known. Just saying

i agree. stupid

So you fully accept the first bit?

You know, the important bit?

you are all assuming, or hoping, hardaker said the horrible word puff. so demeaning.

The last couple of lines of his post. He said that the less dedicated players have been weeded out of Leeds in the past and that Hardaker shouldn't be an exception. Clearly labelling him under the less dedicated category.

Sorry, I would agree with a lot of this IF the case against the guy was proven.

But what you actually appear to suggest here is sacking Hardaker because you "suspect" he committed an offence?

Please can we not sit together at the tribunal?

Process is actually quite important. As is burden of proof.

He opined that Hardaker should have been sacked by the club in June after being found guilty of homophobic abuse of an official.

He should have been sacked back then as well.

That was one of two opinions offered. At least the way I read it.

He was close to getting the sack in November. Should have definitely been sacked in June for homophobic abuse of an official.

It wasn't helpful when he issued his apology a few days prior to learning of his punishment by telling porkies about who was the unfortunate recipient of his homophobic abuse. I'd like to believe the club had no input into the specifics and disingenuous wording of his apology, otherwise... as MjM quite rightly fears... the culture at the club would appear tarnished.

It does seem to have disappeared but it started after the 2010 CC Final defeat iirc and was still doing the rounds near the start of this season, so over 3 years long it lasted and reached 300 pages I believe.

Pretty much anything Bailey did good or bad, instead of starting a new thread went on that one. Had the same thread been used for Hardaker's "f*g" offence, the eye gouge and this "puff" one then we'd be looking at around 150 pages. (Although the last several pages of the eye gouge one was just people demanding cake from a rather bemused Yellow Giraffe)