Miller could doing with losing some timber, he's built like an RU back.

Overall, on the game, there are positives. The defense and intensity was much improved, but we really have a lot to do on the attack. When the pressure is on, we really have no composure in the attacking third

If Miller was a young player he might have the time to come good, but he's 29 and I suspect he's as good as he's ever going to get. The bad habits are too ingrained. Ultimately he was bought to be "very good" in a key spine position, and he just hasn't been that player. I honestly think Arthur would be better picking Edgell if he wants to win games. Maybe Miller could contribute from the bench if we are going to persist with picking backs there.

I think for the amount of defending and carries he’s having to do losing any weight would be detrimental to his health. I still can’t believe I saw Fuisitua take a long kick yesterday and then throw a huge 25 yard pass to Miller stood by himself to hammered by Hull KR players for the umpteenth time. Fuisitua deserves a plane ticket straight back home for that act of cowardice alone. I feel sorry for Miller, there are no defenders closing down opposition kicks and when he puts an attacking kick up there are none of his team mates busting a gut to get on the end of it. It doesn’t excuse his poor decision making and mistakes, but the likes of Momorovski, Lisone and Fuisitua should be ashamed when they look at his appetite and work ethic.

Christopher, like with Rohan smith I think you pin your flag to the mast in predicating things to come good then can't come down prom that position. Millar is deeply flawed at the level we need him to be atfull of errors and poor decisions and his passing his dreadful. I'll eat your hat (I don't have one of my own) if he comes good, I'd have edgell in next week.

It’s just my opinion Seth, he’s got some skill, i didn’t see the flaws in his game when I've seen him in the NRL, it could be playing in a team low on confidence is affecting him and not just him.

There are many Australian players who have been up and down in there first season to ho on and play well.

If im wrong im wrong, it’s just an opinion.

Upset?

If you think Esseh was better than Oledski id question what you are watching to be honest.

17 metres from 5 runs is not good at all for a starting prop

People saying our intensity was higher, I’m not really seeing it. Or if we did it lasted about 30 mins until we looked knackered in the heat.

Have we actually seen improved performances since RS was sacked?

Miller is doing a lot of work in games. That’s no rxcuse for yesterdays brain farts though

I don't understand why so many downbeat opinions. We were in the game after 70 minutes and could well have knicked it.
I think there were some key reffing decisions that had they been reversed would have made a huge difference.
The one that incensed me the most was while Martin was taking the penalty, KR were moving about and encroached the 10. I haven't swallowed a rule book but I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to do that. The other bad decision was Miller tackled in goal after he made it out of goal and grounded, should have been tackle complete. Add on top of that a knee the head, will be interesting to see if match review pick up on that.
I haven't watched it back again yet and probably won't but there were other instances that made my p155 boil on the day, probably on TV they won't be as bad as I thought.

All in all we looked more like a mediocre, mid table team than we have done for the last 10 weeks or so. Green shoots of recovery

I agree he made some bad decisions and errors. I think it’s easy for people to focus too much on one player’s mistakes though when he puts himself out there so much. He was poor yesterday overall, but at least he’s still brave enough to make the carries and put his body and reputation on the line. I think there are too many in our team quite happy to sail under the radar when the going gets tough. He’s not one of them.

I can’t fault Millers effort, but his overall output yesterday was detrimental.

Do you still reckon Smith could come good? Respectfully I couldn't value your opinion any lower.

The Fusitua pass you are referring to (I think) was the start of our best structured set of the game. It got us to the middle on the 1st tackle, and then another long pass by Fusitua again got us moving down the left. From there we played nice and direct and finished off with the Frawley kick for Miller's try. He's been far too injury prone and should be heading home at the end of the season, but he's a long way from a coward.

I don’t even think the A-team could get us out of this situation.

Oh. Im gutted

Apart from a decent stint in his first game, he's been dreadful.

Currently he's like the embodiment of Smith's rugby. Gimmicky shortcut rugby that can produce moments of magic but mostly leaves you thinking why can't you just do the simple things?

We'll just add it to the growing list...

Not sure why Eseh is copping some stick.
Whilst his go forward wasn`t brilliant I thought his defence and intensity in the tackle was better than Lisone and Oledzki and he`s much younger and is learning the game.
Croft I`m sure will look much better when we have a decent pack.
Frawley slightly above average yesterday so let`s see if he can continue to improve.
The rest of our overseas players with possibly the exception of Martin were well below the standard we require.

I’m not particularly giving Esseh stick, i was just counter acting that he wasn’t better than all our other props combined.

His go forward is poor but he’s still a young kid

Christopher Esseh has aggression and the attitude to hurt the opposition forwards which gives them a big reason to be very wary of him and gives our team an advantage like the Wigan and Saints even Leigh pack.
None of our other forwards except Bentley have this, if they can’t impose like this young Lad can they should not be playing for the Rhinos.
If you don’t get this you don’t really understand Rugby League.
Being positive is good but deluded not so.

No need for the personal angle.

What do you think im being deluded about?

Esseh is a good young prospect, the way he’s being elevated by some on here is bizarre, and it seems it’s because he’s not actually one of our players so must be automatically better.

He’s got some great aggression in defence, he’s got errors in him (like most young players) but is pretty poor in attack and makes very little metres.

I would be more than happy if we kept him.

I personally agree with what Christopher is saying regarding Eseh, I think some on here just want to look take a negative dig at our own players whenever possible, now don't get me wrong the performances from 80% of the squad week in week out has been atrocious imo this season and has been for a few seasons now as we know.

But I think some fans want to dig certain players out for the sake of digging them out. Eseh is young and learning his trade in the game but he is no more deserving of a place in the team than the likes of Leon Ruan & Kieron Hudson who are both fit and available for selection and are actually our own players.



I'm not bashing Eseh because he shows effort and like I say is still learning his game but some fans seem to think he's gonna be the next JP for us or something I seems when reality probably is he'll go back to Wigan at the end of this season.

I think your getting very carried away about Eseh. He had a good little cameo against Leigh, he was truly diabolical against Wire, and he had a few good disruptive moments against KR, balanced against the fact that he made very little ground. At the moment he's a young, raw prop who may become a good player in time, but also might not. I'm glad he's here at present because we are so down on numbers, but I think we need 2 new first 17 props for next year and I don't think he should be one of them. That said, if he fancied be 6th prop in our rotation rather than 11th at Wigan, I'd happily have him on board.

I'd swap him for sangare tomorrow, granted that's not much of a statement.