We stood by Walker and Bailey in a similar situation (not saying whether we were right or wrong to, but we did). Has anything changed since then?

There's a lot of conjecture going on around here, we're firstly assuming that it is those two (and having seen the photo I'm pretty convinced by at least one of them), secondly we're assuming that no-one in the West Yorkshire police force has recognised and then contacted one of the most high profile people in Leeds to discuss the issue, then we assume that if it is indeed them then they've actually done something - being wanted in connection is not the same as being accused - and then it seems that everyone is assuming that if they did do that thing it was both of them and it was unprovoked.

I'm not saying that none of the above is possible, but I think to take it as read that this is what went down seems a little premature.

IF it is whom some are suggesting then it'll be their 3rd or 4th indiscretion in 18 months though...

It's nice to know I'm living rent free inside your head, especially as there's so much empty space in there.

That apparently part of the deal was that the club promised to make him captain after Sinfield retired should ring alarm bells as to the genuine nature of that rumour.

And was why the club encouraged him to move in with others, in order to start making that transition, which is why I said above I am not convinced the club have got it right.

Oh don't worry, I took that huge pile of ..... .with a huge pinch of salt.

Where do you get this stuff from?

Do you believe yourself?

Stop been an idiot Gareth.

Stop making stuff up.

You just say stuff as if it's gospel and expect us to believe you when your credibility is, frankly, not that high.

Now you're corresponding with Hetherington (you sure it was him?) about who should be whose room mate. We used to have a poster called Walter Mitty on here. You sure you're not the real Walter?

*Being

Looking at Hardaker's Twitter feed he's not been that prolific as usual on it in recent days.

Interesting.

Maybe he's fallen out with social media in light of the recent news about GCHQ monitoring everyone's emails and social media posts?

More likely they were hopeful some teammates could keep an eye on him. I can't see why moving him in with teammates would be viewed as prepping him for captaincy.

GH wouldn't make that promise. We'll probably have a new coach by the time Sinfield retires and what if he comes in and says he wants Ward or Ablett or whomever as his captain? Is Hetherington seriously going to turn around and say "sorry it's got to be Zak, I promised it to him over 2 years and made him live with teammates to prep him"

Just had a quick look myself. Not sure about whether or not the club are advising him on who he lives with, but they could certainly provide him with some basic English and grammar lessons. Very 'proffesional'...

Bit harsh IMO. You'd be left with egg on your face were Gotcha to post his email from GH on here. That's assuming it doesn't contain confidential info, of course.

I could fake you an Email from anyone you want

I reckon I could tell if I was been taken for a ride.

I thought Gotcha mentioned that Hardaker was leaving anyway? now he's signed a 5 year deal?

Where does the promise bit come into it? Not sure where you are getting that from?

The club have, and as you and others seem to always say it also, always planned for the future. As far as I am aware it was the clubs plan for when Sinfield ends his days that Hardaker was the planned replacement, and both parties would work towards that. As far as I heard never such a thing as a promise or contractual obligation. I am not sure of the current squad there is anyone else that stands out as a future captain, based on the time frame fitting in with Sinfield ending. A captain that would grow with the next generation, which the club keep talking about.

Of course, you are then reliant on your plans working from the players development also. If that player puts a spanner in the works, then plans have to change.

I still go back and say though, that encouraging that development by housing men of that age group together, for me is a bad plan. Sinfield never did it that way, and I am not sure there are cases of success elsewhere either. For me team mates need space from one another, and in an environment away from your every day work.

Edit... Just noticed Printer that when I told you about Hardakers agreement I did use the word guarantee when talking about the future captaincy. My wrong choice of words, as I didn't use that word elsewhere.

Does anyone on here really see Zac as a potential captain? He is one tantrum away from a lengthy ban all the time.

He is a good player but he doesn't appear to have the attributes you would want from a leader and the primary representative of the club.

I am no Sinfield fan but no one could question his integrity and devotion to the job of being the captain/leader of this team - an absolute credit to the club, the team and most of all himself.

Does anyone really see the polar-opposite in Zac taking that mantle?

Just tell it as it is - the fact you just keeping digging suggests you are either still at school or resident in an appropriate institution

Since he has been at Leeds, I certainly wouldn't have put him down as captain material. But then again, as I said above, I can't also see it in anyone else in the team who will be there to grow with the next generation.

I also wouldn't have had James Graham down as a captain in his younger years either, but then again that one worked out well. There is quite a lot of instances throughout sport of people you wouldn't naturally see as captain material, appointed it, and it's not only been good for the team but more importantly the individual concerned. Possibly that was also the clubs thinking.

It's an interesting debate regarding Sinfield's successor as captain. Nobody really stands out from the current group, Ablett perhaps? Stevie Ward seems to have all the atrributes, I just hope he can stay fit and keep improving.

Ablett for a couple of years and then Ward would seem logical.