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| After Lenagans hissy fit a couple of weeks ago, were he forced the cancellation of a meeting to sign off the new structures, which the majority had agreed on,because he wants all the money kept in SL,then that interview sounds more like the truth than anything else ive heard since.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Maybe I'm being a bit thick and missing some sort of distinction, but if it was (as Barwick suggests) a vote that would have seen the proposals have a positive impact (i.e. would have seen them implemented), then what is your point about it not being an RFL vote?'"
It wasn’t even an RFL meeting.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Because he was being pedantic about me saying it was an RFL vote when it was a SL vote.
Doesnt matter that the vote directly impacts all the other issues that do affect the RFL etc. whcih was agreed to be put on hold.
Ignore the fact that 2 of the 14 clubs weren't even there.
Ignore the issue that the subject wasn't on the agenda
Ignore that if the clubs stayed there votes would have gone down as abstained etc.
Sounds like the Unprofessional accusations need to be aimed in a different direction to me.'"
It isn't all that pedantic. The RFL and Super League are not the same thing and they have different jurisdictions. Happens in most professional sports these days. Witness the current situation with RU's Heineken Cup if you want to see why the distinction is very important.
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Very interesting, cheers tigertot. And it explains a lot.
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Very interesting, cheers tigertot. And it explains a lot.
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| Quote ="MjM"So do we think Pearson is more bitter over the Briscoes' desire to play for Leeds RLFC or his apparent failure to do proper DD when Kath mugged him for Hull FC?
Either way, until he comes up with some solutions rather than pointless backbiting his positions have zero credibility.'"
Pearson doesn't do solutions.
He buys into sports clubs on the cheap, then sells out when he feels the price is right.
Bought Hull City, sold it.
Tried to buy Huddersfield Town. Failed to do so.
Bought Derby County, sold it.
Went back to Hull City. Left again.
Bought Hull FC.
He has no more attachment to the city of Hull, the Hull FC club or the sport of rugby league than through his wallet. Wherever he's gone, he's ended up having a fall out with someone or other. Give it a couple of years, and he'll be off on his next venture again.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"It isn't all that pedantic. The RFL and Super League are not the same thing and they have different jurisdictions. Happens in most professional sports these days. Witness the current situation with RU's Heineken Cup if you want to see why the distinction is very important.'"
I completely understand the differnece & the importance of understanding the difference.
I said it was pedantic to pick up on the fact that I'd used the wrong term (I acknowledge that) but ignore the rest of the mail which IMO is the real crux of the issue.
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| Quote ="Him"Apparently the Hull Daily Mail are saying that one of the biggest reasons why the clubs walked is they don't like Hetherington and the influence he has on the game.
So all this rubbish about concerns about structure and a vote being sprung on them is just bo11ocks. It's that Lenagan and Pearson don't like Hetherington.'"
yeah sounds right Wires Chief executive Andy Gatcliffe, Chairman professor Stephen Broomhead, and Owner Simon Moran all agreed we would walk out of the meeting in support of Pearsons dislike of Hetherington.
Quite how they got us out of a crap old stadium into a fantastic facility that makes us money, and to three wembley finals and two grand finals when they haven't got a mind of their own and blindly follow business geniuses like Pearson I'll never know...!!
n.b. apologies for original shoddy typos hopefuly all amended... I dont want you thinking I work for the rfl or something
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| Quote ="fcandy"Interesting point to note that the 6 bottom clubs in SL in 2013, who did not walk out of the meeting last night, all have debts with the RFL that could be called in at short notice. I wonder if that swayed their decision somewhat? Leeds didn’t walk out as it’s clear their chairmen is after the RFL top job in the future. Puzzled as to why saints didn’t walk too?'"
FYI Cas do not owe the RFL anything but contempt for the two unfair relegations , one protecting the French and the other ignoring wigans cheating of the SC . These are facts sonny
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"yeah sounds right Wires chief executive andy Gatcliffem chairman proffesor stephen Broomhead, and Owner Simon Moran all agreed we would walk out of the meeting in support of pearsons dislike of Hetherington.
quite how they got us out of Crap old stadium into a fantastic facility that makes us money, and to three wembley finals and two grand finals when try haven't got a mind of their own and blindly business geniuses like pearson ill never know...!!'"
Hull Fans hate leeds, they hate it even more that no-one at Leeds really cares about Hull. Adam Pearson needed a new scapegoat considering Kath has been left a while so the hateful misogyny against her was lookng quite misplaced these days. It seems Gary has had to take that role.
Credit to Wire though, they have been quite vocally against these changes the whole way through.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"yeah sounds right Wires Chief executive Andy Gatcliffe, Chairman professor Stephen Broomhead, and Owner Simon Moran all agreed we would walk out of the meeting in support of Pearsons dislike of Hetherington.
Quite how they got us out of a crap old stadium into a fantastic facility that makes us money, and to three wembley finals and two grand finals when they haven't got a mind of their own and blindly follow business geniuses like Pearson I'll never know...!!
n.b. apologies for original shoddy typos hopefuly all amended... I dont want you thinking I work for the rfl or something'"
In which case why did they walk out? Why not just vote against? It wasn't even a binding vote. A SL meeting can't determine the structure for the rest of rugby league.
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| Quote ="Him"Apparently the Hull Daily Mail are saying that one of the biggest reasons why the clubs walked is they don't like Hetherington and the influence he has on the game.
So all this rubbish about concerns about structure and a vote being sprung on them is just bo11ocks. It's that Lenagan and Pearson don't like Hetherington.'"
[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Revealed-reason-Hull-KR-Hull-FC-walked-Super/story-19987613-detail/story.htmlDid the Mail? Where's that, then.[/url
You know, if you're going to make fatuous, potentially damaging statements, it's best to proof-read your source first. As you obviously prefer to do so after the event, I've posted the relevant link above. No, that's quite all right.
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| Quote ="Him"In which case why did they walk out? Why not just vote against? It wasn't even a binding vote. A SL meeting can't determine the structure for the rest of rugby league.'"
But when the RFL have already ' sold ' this new Nirvana to the Championship Clubs ( including some ' cash carrots ' that werent theirs to offer ) it is only the structure of SL that actually matters, everything else follows on from that
As you well know
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| It's all just a big pile of e I'm afraid
Trying to raise the profile of a fantastic sport run by incompetent clowns
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| I said Sh1te not poop
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| Quote ="unlucky 13"I said poop not poop'"
Can't get past the mods
Any tips on swearing
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| Quote ="WormInHand"[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Revealed-reason-Hull-KR-Hull-FC-walked-Super/story-19987613-detail/story.htmlDid the Mail? Where's that, then.[/url
You know, if you're going to make fatuous, potentially damaging statements, it's best to proof-read your source first. As you obviously prefer to do so after the event, I've posted the relevant link above. No, that's quite all right.'"
From that link,
"Former Hull chairperson Kath Hetherington, Gary's wife, is to take over in the same role at Wakefield, giving the family (note not 2 separate clubs....no hidden agenda in the Hull Daily Mail ) two votes on all major decisions at Super League level." (Oh well the others are screwed if 2 outta 14 can swing all major voting decisions )
"That growing influence of the Hetheringtons (a whopping 14.5% of potential votes btw) is believed to be a source of real concern for the likes of Lenagan, as well as Pearson and Hudgell."
"The six clubs believe as little as four weeks are needed to sort out all the issues in relation to structure and governance (really, shame the Hull ones can't work that quickly to turn their teams into winners or Davy at Hudds to attract decent crowds) and are tired of working to the Hetherington's timescales (awwww, how long has Kath been at Wakey to help implement these wicked timescales in cahoots with the Dark Lord Gary? Maybe we should all go with what the Hetherington's want if Kath can make that quick an impact on meetings led by Barwick who wasn't even in the sport when Kath was at Hull, whilst the rebel 6 quality businessmen feel tricked and as yet unable to make the changes they want).
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| Ah the Hull Daily Mail.
Wipe your backside on it and you'll end up covered in more poop than you started with.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Revealed-reason-Hull-KR-Hull-FC-walked-Super/story-19987613-detail/story.htmlDid the Mail? Where's that, then.[/url
You know, if you're going to make fatuous, potentially damaging statements, it's best to proof-read your source first. As you obviously prefer to do so after the event, I've posted the relevant link above. No, that's quite all right.'"
"However, sources have told the Mail Hetherington's perceived influence in the game, and on the RFL, is one of many concerns the clubs have over the sport's future. "
Not sure how my post was fatuous or damaging when it's what the HDM said, and it's backed up by comments from Pearson.
I suggest you read AND understand the piece before trying to take the p|ss out of someone else.
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| Quote ="Starbug"But when the RFL have already ' sold ' this new Nirvana to the Championship Clubs ( including some ' cash carrots ' that werent theirs to offer ) it is only the structure of SL that actually matters, everything else follows on from that
As you well know'"
You mean they don't agree with the other clubs? They could have voted against it in the SL meeting. It would have no effect on whether the structure went through at a future RFL meeting whichever way the vote went, which it seems they would have been in the majority with the absentees at the SL meeting.
There is still no reason to tie a change in RFL governance to a vote on the structure of the league. Either it's a good structure or it's not. It'd be like Ed Milliband saying he won't vote on (in whichever way) a piece of legislation unless theres a general election first.
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| Quote ="Him""However, sources have told the Mail Hetherington's perceived influence in the game, and on the RFL, is one of many concerns the clubs have over the sport's future. "
Not sure how my post was fatuous or damaging when it's what the HDM said, and it's backed up by comments from Pearson.
I suggest you read AND understand the piece before trying to take the p|ss out of someone else.'"
Weak. You know very well I'm referring to this part of your post:
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So all this rubbish about concerns about structure and a vote being sprung on them is just bo11ocks. It's that Lenagan and Pearson don't like Hetherington.'"
.... which cannot be deduced from anything in that article and, fatuously, trivializes the stance all six clubs felt they were forced into. Which you'd know if you'd read it first. 'Apparently' can be a dangerous word, no 'pi $$-taking' necessary by me, duckie, you've extracted it from your urethra all by yourself.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Ah the Hull Daily Mail.
Wipe your backside on it and you'll end up covered in more poop than you started with.'"
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| Quote ="WormInHand"[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Revealed-reason-Hull-KR-Hull-FC-walked-Super/story-19987613-detail/story.htmlDid the Mail? Where's that, then.[/url
You know, if you're going to make fatuous, potentially damaging statements, it's best to proof-read your source first.'"
The irony in this post is beautiful.
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail""However, =#FF0000sources have told the Mail Hetherington's perceived influence in the game, and on the RFL, is one of many concerns the clubs have over the sport's future'"
Who are these anonymous, so called "sources" that the HDM is getting its information from?
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail"The Mail has been =#FF0000told...'"
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail"The Mail =#FF0000understands...'"
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail"... Mail =#FF0000told they just want to look at it for longer...'"
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail"Whilst =#FF0000unconfirmed, suggestions began to surface yesterday that the walk-out clubs had also been unhappy that...'"
Quote ="Hull Daily Mail"That growing influence of the Hetheringtons =#FF0000is believed to be a source of real concern'"
Sloppy, lazy journalism that only a fool would take seriously.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"The irony in this post is beautiful.
Who are these anonymous, so called "sources" that the HDM is getting its information from?
Sloppy, lazy journalism that only a fool would take seriously.'"
. While my opionion of the HDM often complies with Mr Gilder's, in this case I can confirm the source, as I was witness to the information first-hand too. That article reiterates everything AP stated at our forum the other night, Pearson is the 'mole', albeit standing waving his arms in broad daylight (or the KC's electric lights, as it was) such is his outrage, not hiding underground. I heard it all with my own ears and so did the the HDM journalist - also present (confirmed by my own eyes). In addition thousands of HullFCTV viewers and local radio listeners also heard him live.
As Pearson was the only SL chairman present at our forum the Mail had to take his word that he also reflects the concerns of the other 5 rebels. They were therefore obliged to use the cautious phrases you highlight. But he couldn't have been clearer. Or perhaps you think Pearson's lying?
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| The clubs would do well to be wary of GH and his agenda - he has his man running the game in Nigel Wood. It was Wood who presided over the near collapse of Halifax what does he have in his resume to suggest he is fit person to run the game. Since he took over the sport has seen declining participation, huge fund cuts from sport England, no major sponsors etc why would you let him decide on the future of the game?
GH has much to answer for - he has not come out of this smelling of roses, trying to push a vote through in this manner is pretty underhand and typical of his low ball tactics. No wonder Lenegan and Moran are very wary of him and methods.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Or perhaps you think Pearson's lying?'" He does have a record of bending reality to deflect blame/suit what Hull fans want to hear.
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