The penalty would have been where Green became offside, which is the moment he encroaches within the ten metres.

Quote ="MattyLeeds"No it wouldn't...'" Pretty sure it would, being in front of a kicker isn't an offence, as soon as they get involved then the penalty is given from that position. Richard silver wood confirmed this on twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/SilversRef/tweets

Quote ="MattyLeeds"No it wouldn't...'" Pretty sure it would, being in front of a kicker isn't an offence, as soon as they get involved then the penalty is given from that position. Richard silver wood confirmed this on twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/SilversRef/tweets

But only obvious if the referee in question understood the rule?

My suspicious is Ganson saw Green in front of the kicker (how could he not) and also saw that the kicker (Houghton) had not run past him to play him back onside (again how could he not) but because Green remained outside the ten metre zone between himself and the Hull player nearest to the ball as it bounced that he was then free to go for the ball. That's why I think Ganson gave the 'try' as I recall saying on the night of the incident or thereabouts earlier in this thread.

While the apology was always going to happen surely what's been missing is an explanation as to how the decision was made and what measures will be put in place in future to ensure it cannot happen again.

I liked and looked forward to Ganson's performances in the middle when viewing as a neutral - it added to the spectacle and the entertainment value, he had good banter with the players and loved to pass the buck (probably tongue in cheek) when he and his team of officials messed a call up. But the video referee has a slightly different role as he looks for millimeter precision if necessary especially on line decisions and offside at the kick is one such area where lines can be drawn and mistakes are demonstrable shown to be just that.



Why? Has that ever happened before when a referee has made a mistake and if not in the past is it a precedence (if that's the word and I'm asking the right fella to tell me if it's not) we want to be setting for the future.

Quote ="Dave K."Pretty sure it would, being in front of a kicker isn't an offence, as soon as they get involved then the penalty is given from that position. Richard silver wood confirmed this on twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/SilversRef/tweets'" Apologies

Quote ="Dave K."Pretty sure it would, being in front of a kicker isn't an offence, as soon as they get involved then the penalty is given from that position. Richard silver wood confirmed this on twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/SilversRef/tweets'" Apologies

tvoc - IIRC Ganson's explanation offered after the game is that he tracked the wrong runner and believed Chris Green had come from behind the kicker.

there's an interesting theory about this doing the rounds on our board. back in 2007 when cooke signed for rovers their first game with him was against sharpe's hudds live on sky. hudds spoiled rovers party and afterwards sharpe said something along the lines of i dedicate this victory to hull fc, once you play for them it never leaves you. he also was attributed with saying we have played some good teams this season - and hull kr as well. Don't know if 6 years on neil hudgell still holds a grudge against sharpe but i wouldn't be at all surprised, given his hatred of all things FC.

Thanks for that.

Hopefully Boots 'N All, Super League Show or such-like will attempt to reconstruct what Ganson did and let the fans see the complexity. Personally I don't recall there being any and still remain to be convinced that Ganson simply isn't across all the rules as he should be, as was in evidence last Monday when he awarded a St Helens try despite Hardaker grounding the ball in-goal first.

Perhaps on that occasion he was following the wrong ball?

Just a (throw away) thought ....nothing else. Not really bothered. However, I stand by my remark that this [uwas[/u
more than a 'mistake'. It was incredibly remiss, unforgiveable and incontrovertibly incompetent especially for a man that holds the position that he does....compounded by the yet unknown consequences come the season's end.

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God I'd forgotten just how inexplicably annoying he is.

We have been on the end of some bad calls from Steve Ganson, last year in the same match he gave a try for the biggest forward pass I have ever seen which got them within 2 points of Hull with a couple of minutes to go.

KR fans were running around Hull with Ganson on there shirts after that match, so was it Ganson paying us back I wouldnt like to think it was but you never know.

No problem at the time it happened I thought the same as you.

Is it me or is Phil Clarke actually getting more and more full of s**t with each passing week?

Having watched more matches on Sky than usual this weekend, I'm thinking of writing to my MP, the UN and anyone with nuclear weapons for hire about that margin meter. It's so embarrasing.

He should have gone to SpecSavers.

Don't like the anology of a video ref error being like a knock on or forward pass.

If that player could have numerous chances to re-think how he took that ball or how he run onto that ball. He is likely not to make that error. Players get one chance in (literally) real time. But video refs can re-check and rarely have an excuse for getting it wrong and they shouldn't get it wrong. Especially in this Ganson example. We're not discussing a boarderling play. It was a clear decision which he got wrong.

It's quite clear that we need a second video ref to review the decision made by the first.


Alternately, we could scrap the entire gimmick and try to restore a modicum of spontaneity to a game that's sadly lacking it at present.

I would like something a little closer to the NHL war-room where rather than having one ref reviewing one game as VR, they have a group of refs watching all games in one location.

This would add an extra check to minimise things like this happening, give VR's someone to have a quick discussion of it with and a possible cost saving if we were to roll it out to all matches in there wouldnt need to be a VR at all games

I also think that hearing the VR's talk it through is really helpful in understanding why a decision was made, often a controversial call is the result of two or three subjective decisions in a row

Really? You would go after the man who had nothing to do with the decision, purely because he has worked with FC before? That just doesnt make sense. Almighty balls up from Ganson, really awful decision, and I feel for KR fans, well, almost as much as they felt for us after last years quarterback pass. Im more worried about how the game looks to outsiders myself, and this has done nothing good for the image of rugby league

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Also, just on that specific Ganson call, whilst obviously wrong according to the rules, i can't help thinking that the 'right' decision in that situation should be try. The reason why Hull FC scored was entirely down to a good kick and poor play by hull KR, i think two often we see poor play rescued by the onside/offside law.

Something along the lines of the offside player only needing to be outside 10 when the ball has bounced rather than when the player touches it would be fine with me.

Still disagree just as I did when we discussed this at length after the Hall no try at the Bradford Easter game.

The chase should either be onside or played onside by the kicker running past them or by remaining outside the ten and frozen there until a defender touches the ball.

Rewarding an offside kick-chase is the wrong direction. The rule when applied correctly is fine as it is. I appreciate we take different views on this.

for me its like football. only a foul if gaining an advantage or seeking to gain an advantage. if a try is ruled out for a player being 8m from the ball and not moving its a farce. he isn't trying to gain an advantage.

If he isn't trying to gain an advantage, then why is he 8m away from the ball rather than 10m? Where do you draw the line? 6m? 5m? Right in front of the catcher?

Two things should have happened this week. Steve Ganson should have been stood down for the next round of games, as Thierry Alibert was when he cocked up the tackle count.

Neil Hudgell should also be asked to explain his comments about Jon Sharp and why he felt it necessary to make reference to him being a former Hull FC player.

Nothing to do with him being ex-FC, I have no interest inter-Humberside nitpicking. He's just an annoying *****. Whereas Ganson is an entertaining *****. A small difference, but enough to influence who I would like to take the abuse.

IMO there are ample opportunities for an offside layer to get back onside and so I have no sympathy. If you are offside at a kick you have no excuse for not getting back onside.

I would imagine that as the kick was from about halfway the intention was to do an offside kick chase, and by the time the line met the fullback, the 10m would have been gobbled up, or the fullback spills the ball and play on. As the fullback made no play for the ball, this messed it all up a bit. The scorer probably knew he was offside but you have to go for it even if you knw, as refs do miss things, as this case proves adequately

As I said when I previously debated this issue with TVOC, for me we should be punishing the ‘worst’ error and rewarding the best play. A good spiralling kick is good play, being offside but not interfering with the player attempting the catch is a fairly small error, conversely making a clusterwhoopsie of the catch is a pretty bad error and allowing a try to be scored off it isn’t good play at all.

I think the whole on/offside issue should be looked at because parts of it are a bit nonsensical, with poor play being protected and the seeming random nature of a bouncing rugby ball often resulting in a turnover of ball because of accidental offside (why we have an infringement which by its very definition is beyond the control of the play is crazy imo)