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| Quote ="Him"BAN HIM!!!'"
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Are you suggesting that it's not the word that's the problem, it's the person that says it? It seems to me that you are making out that it's OK for some people to use a particular word depending on their Colour / Sexual Preference / etc.'"
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Quote ="batleyrhino"How the hell can you legislate for that?'"
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| My question was how can you legislate for one group of people being allowed to use any specific word, when another group of people are castigated for using the same word. Again I repeat how can you legislate for that. Either the word is not to be used by any with the same consequences for all, or the word is acceptable and suitable for free use by all. Any other case would be seriously prejudicial to those "not allowed" to use the word. Who gets to choose which group of people can use the words in question and who not?
This whole thing is a complete storm in a teacup...
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"My question was how can you legislate for one group of people being allowed to use any specific word, when another group of people are castigated for using the same word. Again I repeat how can you legislate for that. Either the word is not to be used by any with the same consequences for all, or the word is acceptable and suitable for free use by all. Any other case would be seriously prejudicial to those "not allowed" to use the word. Who gets to choose which group of people can use the words in question and who not?
This whole thing is a complete storm in a teacup...'"
You don't legislate for who can or cannot use a particular word, you legislate against the offence that the use of a particular word MAY cause to someone.
We have a virtually unlimited right to free speech in this country but equally there is a right for anyone who may have been offended to seek redress through the justice system.
Surely that is not too difficult a concept to grasp?
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| Legislating against the use of specific words by anyone is not too difficult a concept to grasp, however you were the one that introduced the concept of shouting from a car window in Chapeltown, so presumably you would campaign against that as much as you do the choice of word that Zak Hardaker may have used?
To be honest like I say this whole investigation is a complete waste of time. The use of language like this in this context doesn't even prove that there was intent to bring the sexual orientation or preference of any of the individuals in this case into question, never mind portray those of such sexual preference in a negative manner. It's a sad state of affairs when we are focusing more on what a player may or may not have said, and where no one complained at the time, than the game itself.
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| Quote ="DHM"
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I'm offended by that. Despite having done it before myself and not quite knowing why I'm offended.
But I'm offended nonetheless.
I now need to tell everybody how offended I am and will verbally abuse you on social media, but if I see you in person I'll just walk past without saying a word.
Even though I'm not sure why I'm now hugely offended when previously I wasn't, I won't be satisfied until you're banned for a very long time.
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| Quote ="Him"I'm offended by that. Despite having done it before myself and not quite knowing why I'm offended.
But I'm offended nonetheless.
I now need to tell everybody how offended I am and will verbally abuse you on social media, but if I see you in person I'll just walk past without saying a word.
Even though I'm not sure why I'm now hugely offended when previously I wasn't, I won't be satisfied until you're banned for a very long time.'"
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| He was wrong to say it first time round and had a slap on the wrist, 2nd time round is plain stupidity and I wouldn't be surprised to see a much larger ban.
This thread seems to be looking at if it is right or wrong to use language people may find offensive and this is a good argument for the first ticking off. However, once the RFL had decided that this wasn't something they wanted in the game (which is understandable with the RESPECT campaign) there is no excuse and you should expect the punishment if you repeat the exercise so soon after your ban has finished.
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| Quote ="smudgersmith"He was wrong to say it first time round and had a slap on the wrist, 2nd time round is plain stupidity and I wouldn't be surprised to see a much larger ban.
This thread seems to be looking at if it is right or wrong to use language people may find offensive and this is a good argument for the first ticking off. However, once the RFL had decided that this wasn't something they wanted in the game (which is understandable with the RESPECT campaign) there is no excuse and you should expect the punishment if you repeat the exercise so soon after your ban has finished.'"
The first time around was because the referee thought it was aimed at him, even though until that point nobody even knew he was homosexual.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"The first time around was because the referee thought it was aimed at him, even though until that point nobody even knew he was homosexual.'"
So after been found guilty why would you do it again? Must be easier ways to get a RU contract
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| Quote ="smudgersmith"So after been found guilty why would you do it again? Must be easier ways to get a RU contract'"
He didn't. There wasn't an homosexual official present. Just one with a prejudice against Leeds.
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| Even the odious Joey Barton is supporting the respect campaign by wearing rainbow laces.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He didn't. There wasn't an homosexual official present. Just one with a prejudice against Leeds.'"
FFS!!
There does not need a homosexual person present for it to be wrong!!!
Again the example of driving through Chapeltown shouting N or P out the window.
I could do it down my street, its still WRONG
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"FFS!!
There does not need a homosexual person present for it to be wrong!!!
Again the example of driving through Chapeltown shouting N or P out the window.
I could do it down my street, its still WRONG'"
Oh shut up you big girls blouse. The response was in saying he had done the same again, he hadn't.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Oh shut up you big girls blouse. The response was in saying he had done the same again, he hadn't.'"
Ah so the case is shut then. I'm sure the RFL can confirm that
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Ah so the case is shut then. I'm sure the RFL can confirm that'"
Again, look above at the response and to what. Your just a big girls blouse desperate for attention.
As for the "case" there is no case. An allegation made, and something that was looked at. Nothing confirmed from the RFL.
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| Quote ="smudgersmith"He was wrong to say it first time round and had a slap on the wrist, 2nd time round is plain stupidity and I wouldn't be surprised to see a much larger ban.
This thread seems to be looking at if it is right or wrong to use language people may find offensive and this is a good argument for the first ticking off. However, once the RFL had decided that this wasn't something they wanted in the game (which is understandable with the RESPECT campaign) there is no excuse and you should expect the punishment if you repeat the exercise so soon after your ban has finished.'"
The smallest word in that lot, yet the most significant - if.
There is seemingly no proof that he said anything derogatory despite the rfl going to extraordinary lengths to try nail him. That is why I have a bee in my bonnet about the whole episode. If they can't prove anything after this amount of time they should be offering a full & frank apology.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Again, look above at the response and to what. Your just a big girls blouse desperate for attention.
As for the "case" there is no case. An allegation made, and something that was looked at. Nothing confirmed from the RFL.'"
Resorting to personal insults in a thread about possible disgusting insults thrown by one of your own players.
Nice
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Resorting to personal insults in a thread about possible disgusting insults thrown by one of your own players.
Nice'"
Having had the absolute misfortune to have stood (more than once) in the Threepenny stand all I can say is that if you are not the biggest f*****g hypocrite ever to post on an internet website then may my cock drop off.
Nope, still there.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Resorting to personal insults in a thread about possible disgusting insults thrown by one of your own players.
Nice'"
If you really think "effing puff" when aimed at an oppo RL player is a "disgusting insult" then you are a disgusting insult for a human being.
But you don't though. You're just a sad troll bas**** with nothing better to do.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"If you really think "effing puff" when aimed at an oppo RL player is a "disgusting insult" then you are a disgusting insult for a human being.
But you don't though. You're just a sad troll bas**** with nothing better to do.'"
My my, a little harsh.
If we are looking at "disgusting insults of human beings" then there are plenty above me.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"My my, a little harsh.
If we are looking at "disgusting insults of human beings" then there are plenty above me.'"
You are a bit desperate for attention, a little bit of a drama queen are you not?
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| Jeez Louise! What is with the over-the-top aggression and name calling? Frepny's view may be one that is more in the minority, but just calm down a bit!
Straight people are allowed to be (and sometimes are) offended by 'gay insults' like white people can be offended by racial insults. So from that perspective, I get where he is coming from.
All the rest about the level of his own hypocrisy - I can't comment on, but I don't think he is wrong in his point outlined above.
Anyway - let's see how long before this gets to 100 pages!
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| Well it is now challenging the Mcdermott GO! thread which took an embarrassing 3 years to build in comparison.Could we really have a challenger for the 'Bailey' thread?!
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Well it is now challenging the Mcdermott GO! thread which took an embarrassing 3 years to build in comparison.Could we really have a challenger for the 'Bailey' thread?!'"
What is the 'Bailey' thread? I've not seen it before. Has it managed to break the magic 100-page-barrier?
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