It's been amazing how lucky we have been in the last 8 years as whenever we seem to win a big game in a knockout stage or in a final, it's due to the opposition playing badly. We're such an average team who just happen to consistently beat teams who are just having a bad game.

This is what grates a bit. There are 2 teams on every pitch and each are trying to stop the other playing while creating room for themselves to use the ball. Far too many Wiganers don't seem to recognise that a poor result can in any way be influenced by the opposition, instead putting it down to an inexplicably poor performance, at a loss to explain how this could possibly have happened to them. If they take a look back over the last 5 or 6 years they'll notice this particular Leeds team has a happy knack of putting the brakes on their more favoured opposition on the big day.

When we took a hammering from Wigan last month, I think most Leeds fans were happy to accept that it was a combination of a poor Leeds performance and Wigan at their brilliant best.

And they now have the August Bank Holiday weekend free for more needlework......

To be fair they did play poorly but like some have said the opposition deserve at least some credit for that. Think it showed just how key Tommy Leuluai is to their team, perhaps the biggest key, Tomkins will do great individual stuff but Leuluai will have the team going great in games. Charnley shouldn't have played either, one of the biggest worries i had facing Wigan was any chance he or Tomkins could get a sniff of open field or gap in the line on kick returns, but he was clearly not fit.

Congrats on your win, I hope we meet again in the play offs.

Why do you like getting beat,

Well I hope they enjoy looking at an empty trophy cabinet and reminissing about all those meaninless thumpings they gave everyone through the course of the SL season.


Woops, I nearly forgot about polishing the hubcap. Sorry.

In the second half especially, Leeds were virtually error free. Wigan were unforced error ridden, so SW does have a point. Having said that, he's the boss and I agree he should have been more magnanimous in defeat.

By and large I have always got on well with most wigan supporters, as a youngster years ago we used to cross the Pennines to go to central park and stand on the terraces behind the posts. I think it may have been a children's section, people were always friendly enough. God it seems light years away just rememberd some of the wigan team. Boston,Dave Bolton,Brian Mc Tigue, they were a superb side. So we got one or two hammerings. A set of fans I do not care for are the Hull Fc crowd,I have personally witnessed far too many incidents from them. Whilst. I have never encountered any problems with the wigan crowd.

I too always got on well with Wigan folk.I think its just the last 2-3 years and especially when games have been played on a saturday when they have travelled over and had a few drinks.Although even so I have still had some good craic with them in the taps after the game

Deep down we know that we are the 2 biggest clubs in the game, and that naturally leads to a certain hostility but a grudging (and maybe well hidden) respect. I've never had a problem with Leeds fans although you probably have a few pondlife following you similar to the idiot in front of me on Saturday who was f-ing and jeffing throughout in the ear of kids and old ladies.

Unfortunately, all clubs have a pondlife following. We are certainly no exception. I tend to blame the individual rather than the team or their fans collectively. RL fans are overwhelmingly a great bunch, nad I prefer to focus on the fact that 90% plus have a great craic mingling before and after matches.

In my younger "Wally Trolley" days the only place I encountered pond life hostility in the form of bricks through windows was at t' Boulevard.

The only time my dear old mum decided to attend a RL match was at Headingley....against Hull FC. She never attended again and still does not believe us when we tell her it wasn't usually like that, honest

This.

There is no way Wigan were poor. Their tries were brilliant and from deep, tearing Leeds apart. I bet if they had won they'd be saying Flower's kick on to score was fully intentional.

Perhaps they weren't poor but they were well off the pace defensively from even just over a month ago. Makes you wonder if they can maintain that level of defensive effort in the same way that the all-conquering 2006 Saints did.

But even then that team of 2006 was a very special team and also were greatly helped by their main rivals all imploding. That saints team was truly at the peak of it's powers.

Wasn't that 2006 lot the greatest team ever which was going to create a dynasty?

Create? It's part of an ongoing twenty year dynasty bro.

Aye, it must be nice to finally be better than Widnes after all those years through the 80s

You clearly never went to Naughton Park, Widnes in the 80s then ....

I'm just glad to be out of the 80s sir

To be fair to Widnesians, it's the only ground at which I've ever been on the receiving end of a bombardment of custard creams...

You say that like its a bad thing.

Yeah, but to bair it was probably the players responsible for most of that...

Mmmm custard creams, the next best thing to cake.