That's the KEY imo at leeds he does a lot of the organising and runs the gameplan with Mcguire and Burrow in supporting roles.
When he's selected for england that doesn't seem to be the case and he never has been a big running 13.

Sinfield was poor in the 1st half, and just ok in the 2nd, IMO no one really stood out, although Eastmond and tompkins (tompkins 2nd half) had decent games, thought Lee Smith and Mcguire in the 1st half was terrible, out of position for aussies trys, thought mcguire should have been kept of at half time not Briscoe, Peacock whom is usually awesome, was today, nowhere to be seen, we are so far behind the Aussies/Kiwi's we havent a hope in hell, of beating these 2 teams for the next 5 years!!
if this was your team who would your starting 17 be??

You see the difference is, McGuire [ihas[/i had a good season. His performance in the GF was wonderful - all quality. He just is the best 6 we have.

Peacock had a poor game, would you drop him?

I know a lot of you don't accept this but whether McGuire had a good season or not, he just does not show up in internationals.

I think England would get more out of sinfield by playing him hooker as he would control the ruck and he likes being involved which he isn't at loose playing for England.

He was poor today as were others but the last part of your statement is innacurate and mis-informed.

It certainly looked that way in the 2nd half,whatever the outcome if he's selected he needs decent ball and options and we as a team had neither during that 1st half.

I've been watching him, same as everyone else, and he hasn't shown up. He is your Pryce. Whether you like or admit to that is irrelevant. That's how it is.

WTF????????
Last year he was one of the few who actually had any impact during the WC.
He played well in a series win v the Kiwis and has never been as anonymous as pryce!!
Today he was poor and deserves to be benched or even dropped but he's still worth a place in the squad and has EARNED IT.

Not on this game, he was poor (and i do think after the 4 nations, he should retire from international,) but he is usually mr reliable, and after the performances of most of the 17, if we had to drop all whom had a poor game, who would we be left with??


I would defo drop Mcguire and Smith,apart from them 2, whos better out there than what we have got???

Maybe to the bench, might fire him up a bit, and imagine the impact with JP & Crabtree coming on at the same time

Bollox.

as a diehard leeds fan i may find it hard but can still accept that mc guire had a bad game 1st half but so did many others, he improved massively 2nd half imo the legend that is tony smith should have altered the defensive setup after 20 minutes as it was blatantly not working[defended far too narrow ala huddersfield therefore leaving gaping holes out wide . Once the setup was altered 2nd half we were far more compact defensively.The 2nd half was a major improvement sinfield orchesrated play well burgess added the biff and gareth ellis showed his all round class in both halves.If we had applied that much effort in both halfs who knows what would have happened. at the end of the day positives have to be taken. If we can play a full 8o mins in he same vein as this weekends 2nd half the final beckons.I personally have faith in he England boys to finally stand up to the overhyped southern hemisphere and shock a few non believers! come on ENGLAND dont let me down.

People who are bagging McGuire and Smith for the Aussie tries, look who there up against, Inglis, he does the same thing against NSW in Origin every year and in the NRL week in week out and against better defenders aswell. How do you stop him when nobody can, it's just this week it was McGuire and Smith who copped it, there not the first and sure wont be the last.
McGuire had a poor game but he also has a new half back every game next to him and the team is never the same. Put Eastmond and Tomkins in the halfs next week and see how they get on but i bet there's no organisation, when the going gets tough they wont be knowhere to be seen. Look at the Aussies in key postions, Slater, Lockyer, Thurston and Smith play every game for them and for Queensland aswell so they no each others game. Start throwing different players together everygame and there not gonna play well especially when your playing the best team.
TS needs to pick his best team and stick with it.

Well said

Another well thought out structured argument!!!

I have no idea what any of that means.

How does it go?

When the coach starts listening to the fans he might as well sit with them!

I've read lots of comments on a few forums re yesterdays game, and all I can say is the majority of posters on all forums are clueless s.

i think we may do better if the coach does sit with the fans

Most of the fans I saw yesterday around us would have been too sed to notice if Tony Smith did sit next to them.

Pratt

Im bagging Mcguire cos hes crap. A half back who cant pass to his right more than a meter. Jesus H Christ, how embarassing is that

Am I the only one who finds it disturbing that a died-in-the-wool loose forward performs better than the incumbent?

Such was the poor passing that occurred from Roby, by the time the receiver of the ball had hit his second stride the opposition defence was in their fourth and full of momentum. We never had any opportunity to gain any go-forward. Sinfield changed that.

If NZ display the same line speed next week as they did last, we will get annihilated with Roby at dummy half.

The problems with the right hand side defence were rectified by dropping Briscoe and putting mith to the wing.

That is what I would do next week.

Sinfield was the most creative England player in the 1st half (not saying much) and was head and shoulders the most creative player in the 2nd half whether at hooker or stand off when he came back off the bench.

McGuire was terrible IMO.

Next week I would go with Sinfield at 6 and Tomkins at 7.