Thought Warrington played well and deserved their win over 80 mins last night. We don't play well at this time of year.

I thought Peteru went ok, got a couple of nice offloads away and ran strongly but agree Myler, Parcell and Ward were about best.

The game was lost in first half hour for me we had to do far too much defending which took it's toll late on.

As a team when we are behind and start moving the ball and playing with a little bit of urgency we look a far better team but it's a shame it takes us going behind for it to happen but then once we go in front we stop playing, start drilling ball 10 yards into touch and lose all the momentum we had.

Personally I've no issue with Moon at 6 he is a class player and it worked well last season he just doesn't look fit to me and hasn't all season.

Jack Walker got 40 mins in on Thursday for 19s so hopefully he will be up for selection at Widnes.

Our 1st up contact was poor for most of the game last night & brought back memories to the Andy Hay days of patter-cake defence.
The likes of Jjb Abbo & Moon have been excellent servents of our club but last exposed the former 2's age & battle weary miles whilst Moon try aside was missing again.
Ferres imo has been & still is a pointless signing whereas Mullally just isn't good enough.
The last 3 defeats may not have been "must win" bit what they have done is put a hell of a lot of pressure on us making the top 4 & also highlighted where we need strengthening.

You are right about the contact Mark from the get go it was very poor last night.

A lot of knee jerk reactions going on here , Warrington were the better side overall , Leeds however yet again found a way to stay in the game and in fact should have maybe seen it out , the turning point was the dubious penalty against JJB straight after the Ablett try , which gave Warrington hope . Leeds were so below par they managed to make Brown look international class last night .

Pretty abject stuff from us in the first 25 minutes, i thought Wire were decent but didn't have to be that special to get a handy lead.once we kicked it up either side of HT we looked easily the better team and built what looked and should have been a winning lead with 15 minutes to go. Then we switch off, make a mistake from the restart and Wire grasp the momentum back and we colapse, disappointing loss that one.

Plenty of knee jerking on here as usual and i do agree with bits of what has been said, in the main that we need Moon back at centre and another partner for Myler but who is there really at this stage of the season? So i guess we stick with it for the remainder of 2018.

We really have to start winning from here and getting the right side of these tight games.for as average/poor we have been in the the 3 close recent games against Wigan/Hull/Wire we could easily have won all three and be sitting pretty. I still believe we will come good but we can't let the top 4 get away from us before we do.

Was anyone suprised when jjb knocked on straight after the ablett try? It was the most predictable thing in the world and mirrors what we'v been doing every week. Play e, somehow manage to get ourselves a lead, then switch off and throw it away with stupid mistakes and a jobs done mindset. Mcdermott keeps bangin on about our effort and it might be there physically, but the mental applications rubbish at the minute. Then we get the usual, we'l learn from it and be better for it drivel, theyr the most experienced squad in the league, do they really need to re- learn these lessons afresh every season?

On a brighter note, thought myler was very good again, really pleased with him and liked the look of peteru.

No knee jerking at all imo.
All that's been pointed out is exactly what happened last night as-well as in previous defeats thus far.

Harsh facts,several players in our current squad are not good enough to compete at the highest levels in super league.

Injured his ankle again

The same has been posted on here every year for the last 10 years or more.

Not by me.

Read back a few pages mate, the usual reel off of x and x and x player not good enough have to go, too old etc... there is some of it i certainly agree with moving forward but we are mid season and we have the playing roster we have for now and by and large it is good enough to do well this year still.

Like i said, had we got the right side of the 3 very tight games people would be seeing it a little differently, we need to keep the faith from here the lads have shown they can dig deep and turn it around countless times in the past and been in deeper holes than this.

I thought Parcell had one of his best games for a while. He’d look even better if we had all of our first choice pack playing.

Is Dwyer injured?

To read this you'd think Leeds were the better team on the night! In fact, apart from the twenty minutes when you clawed your way back in front (playing some 'decent' rugby to quote someone) Wire bossed the entire thing.

We only had one forward missing - I would suggest the pack is about as strong as it gets

You are depressingly correct.

Our energy levels look very flat at the moment, perhaps injuries meaning certain players have had to do a disproportionate amount of work, and the trip to Australia are taking its toll. You can blame individuals, but we simply aren't winning enough collusions. Our attack relies on a quick ruck and we aren't creating enough of them.

On another note, I thought Thahler tried to ref the game well, and hopefully we see more players penalised for trying to milk penalties.

We didn't come out of the dressing sheds for the first half hour, it was laughably bad from us you should have been 20 clear.

Leeds built their successful sides on mobility and speed. This pack is like cart horses, there is limited mobility but plenty of graft. It is aged too much. I would presume that is why the tactic always seems to be to run back to the ruck all the time, to try and tire specific defenders, rather than move the ball around. Yet when we have to chase, and forced to move the ball around, we are a much better team.

whilst your last paragraph is spot on, the deeper holes you refer to IMO were the years we had the top 8 play off system and for large parts we were around 8-9 for long periods, managed to finish 5 and we all know what happened from there. No such luxury with this system though. Lose too much ground on the top 4 by the split and it makes life very difficult for finishing in the 4 for SF time and I'm not sure if anyone outside the top 5 at the split under this new system have managed to drag themselves into the 4 for the Semis?

Luckily for us, AT THE MINUTE, outside of Wire, saints & Wigan it seems pretty much up for grabs that 4th spot between us, Cas and probably Hull but we certainly need to start putting a run of wins together sooner rather than later otherwise we will be too far back and needing miracles come the super 8's (unless of course Cas and Hull continue to be inconsistent as well)

Not so. Garbutt, Delaney (both injured) would have made the starting line up and so would Galloway who has not been replaced yet. Add to that that Peteru was making his comeback after a long term injury and would not have been match fit, as is Ferris, and you have a different picture.

I'd say that's certainly true of the back row. JJB in particular looks knackered. However, I'd say the lack of power in the front row from the starting props is also true. Singleton and Cuthbertson don't give us enough go forward at the start of games.
For the first half an hour we really struggled to get out of our half, and Wire were starting their sets 30 or 40 metres from their line, we didn't make them work hard enough and our kick chase was really poor I thought, which is usually a sign of a tired team.

Singleton always runs diagonal back at the ruck, with limited yardage. This must be an instruction and tactic, but you are not going to make yards that way. Cuthbertson seems to have lost the mental speed, and seems indecisive as to whether he is a prop or additional half. He can’t seem to decide quick enough whether to run forward, or pass. If he is a prop then he needs to be to,d his role.

Woe woe woe!

Your not wrong.
33 points on any leeds side at Headingley is a battering. To put 20+ doesn't happen often.