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| Quote ="batleyrhino"even the people who won't work (or look for it) and still expect a state handout?'"
Where would all them staff be from the job centre be if it wasn’t for me (and the other two million out of the sixty million+ population we have in this country) signing on every two weeks. Where would the £150million+ A4e be, if it wasn’t for imprisoning the long term unemployed in their centres.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Where would all them staff be from the job centre if it wasn’t for me (and the other two million out of the sixty million+ population we have in this country) signing on every two weeks. Where would the £150million+ A4e be, if it wasn’t for imprisoning the long term unemployed in their centres.
There’s a lot of employment in unemployment some may say..'"
Weak reply. You just can't be bothered to get out of bed. There are jobs if you bother looking. People have it to easy. I would have you working 40 hours a week cleaning pensioners gardens and if you didn't turn up you would get sod all |
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Weak reply. You just can't be added to get out of bed. There are jobs if you bother looking. People have it to easy. I would have you working 40 hours a week cleaning pensioners gardens and if you didn't turn up you would get sod all'"
Find me a job cleaning up Pensioners gardens for 40 hours a week on the minimum wage and I’ll happily do it. There’s more people than jobs and that’s the problem.
Oh and people on the dole haven’t had it easy. They undertake workfare placements where you get paid £1.50 an hour at ASDA. If they don’t do these placements then they dole money is taken off them. |
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Take the dole money and go do it voluntarily, would even look good on a CV for when applying for jobs. Shows your not just happy to take the public money and do naff all to earn it!
As for there not being any jobs, complete tosh! If you didn't have handouts and a roof over your head, you would accept any job, any pay! The truth is, its too easy to take the dole money, because there isn't a job they fancy, or better still, there isn't a job they think is good enough for them! And it makes me sick!
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| Quote ="Superted"Take the dole money and go do it voluntarily, would even look good on a CV for when applying for jobs. Shows your not just happy to take the public money and do naff all to earn it! '"
Been there, done that and look where its got me!
Some people forgot that I regularly do a column on here that can class as voluntary work. But I don’t see it as work - more of an hobby. People get paid to do columns..
Quote As for there not being any jobs, complete tosh! If you didn't have handouts and a roof over your head, you would accept any job, any pay! The truth is, its too easy to take the dole money, because there isn't a job they fancy, or better still, there isn't a job they think is good enough for them! And it makes me sick!'"
Is it too easy to take the dole money?
It took me at least a year to get over myself been on the dole. I looked for a jobs before I ended up at the job centre and turned to them when I had no other option. Circumstances might be better for the unemployed in the 21st centaury and its just a shame its at the expense of the worker. But who would help the unemployed if the government didn’t?
I know of other people who found it hard to get over themselves and join the dole queue. I know of someone who was nearly in tears because their parents wanted them on the dole rather than getting nothing.
Luckily that person has got a job now.
Heck one person killed herself because she couldn’t tolerate been on the dole queue anymore after a year and she even got turned down for a job at TESCO!
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| Right I said before that I wouldn’t talk about unemployment on these forums anymore and unfortunately I couldn’t stop myself. So this is the last thread that I’m getting drawn into this ‘tired’ debate as I’d rather focus on more positive things.
All I want to say is that pound-for-pound the government spends 624 times more on adverts demonising ‘benefits cheats’ than rich tax dodgers – a sure sign that their priority is propaganda and not a genuine desire to balance the books. Now the government is neither gullible nor over-generous when it provides benefits for citizens. After all what’s £50 a week (that’s what I get) to a system that gathers in trillions in that same week?
The money that I’m paid comes out of the bond account that is set up in conjunction with my birth certificate when I’m born and registered as chattel of the corporation of the nation that I’m born in.
I was born in Great Britain PLC right?
The unemployment benefits payment is a contract I take out to not exceed a set payment from the bond account of the money that is actually mine. It is a con to get me to only take out small portions of the millions of sterlin that I have in a bond account so that I 'subsist' on the 'poverty line' and will be more inclined to get a job and therefore pay back the loan taken out against my future tax payments. In other words, unemployment benefits is a con job to stop me from accessing the millions in my bond account and a way of maintaining my servitude.
Why is my bond account worth millions?
You can’t put a price on life.
The person(s) with the most power runs this world and this is how they run it by making sure that people who they deem unworthy lead a life of struggle. The MI5 can give you degrees that you didn’t work for whilst everyone else spends years at University trying to gain them is an example of how corrupt this world truly is.
Like Michael Hutchence said -
Quote You are born into this world
Looking down the barrel of a gun
And those who hold the gun
Want you to work fast and die young
And if you don't work
If you don't obey
They'll make you live in fear
till your dying day
Those who govern hold the gun to your head
With religions,
corporations, proud of blood They've shed'"
If anyone can sort this mess out its Her Majesty whose the biggest landowner in the whole wide world today. She got this through inheritance rather than earning the land. Heck even if you buy your own house, she still owns the land underneath.
Finally I don’t blame today’s mess on her because it was all done way before her time. If I had inherited wealth like she did I’d sold all the Palaces and use the money to erase poverty and this con that I explained above. Unfortunately I can’t see her doing that too soon and I don’t blame her.
She’s old and she’s probably heard story’s of how the Mother Teresa’s of this planet end up not been looked after when they body’s can’t cope. In fact we’ve all probably know someone whose worked all their lives only to be treated like . |
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| Damo, just face the truth, you are a workshy lazy barsteward, and there are plenty on here who can see it... 
Why are you wanting to get minimum wage for your dole money? You are not contributing to society and that's the main problem. I think you have deliberately misrepresented Tad's post, it's crystal clear that he is referring to you making a "non paid" contribution to society in return for your "hand out". There are countless "jobs" that you could do if the government set it's mind to making everyone contribute to society.
There is an old saying "You are either inside the tent pi55ing out, or outside the tent pi55ing in." Which do you think you and the 2 million other non workers are doing in a time of financial hardship for the nation? |
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| A note of Appreciation from the rich -
Quote Let's be honest: you'll never win the lottery.
On the other hand, the chances are pretty good that you'll slave away at some miserable job the rest of your life. That's because you were in all likelihood born into the wrong social class. Let's face it -- you're a member of the working caste. Sorry!
As a result, you don't have the education, upbringing, connections, manners, appearance, and good taste to ever become one of us. In fact, you'd probably need a book the size of the yellow pages to list all the unfair advantages we have over you. That's why we're so relieved to know that you still continue to believe all those silly fairy tales about "justice" and "equal opportunity" in America.
Of course, in a hierarchical social system like ours, there's never been much room at the top to begin with. Besides, it's already occupied by us -- and we like it up here so much that we intend to keep it that way. But at least there's usually someone lower in the social hierarchy you can feel superior to and kick in the teeth once in a while. Even a lowly dishwasher can easily find some poor slob further down in the pecking order to sneer and spit at. So be thankful for migrant workers, prostitutes, and homeless street people.
Always remember that if everyone like you were economically secure and socially privileged like us, there would be no one left to fill all those boring, dangerous, low-paid jobs in our economy. And no one to fight our wars for us, or blindly follow orders in our totalitarian corporate institutions. And certainly no one to meekly go to their grave without having lived a full and creative life. So please, keep up the good work!
You also probably don't have the same greedy, compulsive drive to possess wealth, power, and prestige that we have. And even though you may sincerely want to change the way you live, you're also afraid of the very change you desire, thus keeping you and others like you in a nervous state of limbo. So you go through life mechanically playing your assigned social role, terrified what others would think should you ever dare to "break out of the mold."
Naturally, we try to play you off against each other whenever it suits our purposes: high-waged workers against low-waged, unionized against non-unionized, Black against White, male against female, American workers against Japanese against Mexican against.... We continually push your wages down by invoking "foreign competition," "the law of supply and demand," "national security," or "the bloated federal deficit." We throw you on the unemployed scrap heap if you step out of line or jeopardize our profits. And to give you an occasional break from the monotony of our daily economic blackmail, we allow you to participate in our stage-managed electoral shell games, better known to you ordinary folks as "elections." Happily, you haven't a clue as to what's really happening -- instead, you blame "Aliens," "Tree-hugging Environmentalists," "Niggers," "Jews," Welfare Queens," and countless others for your troubled situation.
We're also very pleased that many of you still embrace the "work ethic," even though most jobs in our economy degrade the environment, undermine your physical and emotional health, and basically suck your one and only life right out of you. We obviously don't know much about work, but we're sure glad you do!
Of course, life could be different. Society could be intelligently organized to meet the real needs of the general population. You and others like you could collectively fight to free yourselves from our domination. But you don't know that. In fact, you can't even imagine that another way of life is possible. And that's probably the greatest, most significant achievement of our system -- robbing you of your imagination, your creativity, your ability to think and act for yourself.
So we'd truly like to thank you from the bottom of our heartless hearts. Your loyal sacrifice makes possible our corrupt luxury; your work makes our system work. Thanks so much for "knowing your place" -- without even knowing it!
Rich $cum of America
He who hath the gold makes all the rules.'"
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Where would all them staff be from the job centre be if it wasn’t for me (and the other two million out of the sixty million+ population we have in this country) signing on every two weeks. Where would the £150million+ A4e be, if it wasn’t for imprisoning the long term unemployed in their centres.
There’s a lot of employment in unemployment some may say..'"
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkJL6wRBE8Just for you Damo.[/url |
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| Seems to me that you like the "communist dictatorship doctrine" rather than the world that we live in. I'm sure that this guy could find a place for you before he pops off...
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I'm a teapot.'"
do you prefer earl grey, breakfast tea, yorkshire tea or tetley tea?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Damo, just face the truth, you are a workshy lazy barsteward, and there are plenty on here who can see it...
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My CV says otherwise.
Quote Why are you wanting to get minimum wage for your dole money? You are not contributing to society and that's the main problem. I think you have deliberately misrepresented Tad's post, it's crystal clear that he is referring to you making a "non paid" contribution to society in return for your "hand out".'"
I never wanted my dole money. I just happened to get it. But I want the minimum wage for when I’m doing a job like everyone else in this country. What I don’t want is £1.50 per hour working alongside people who are getting £5.80 per hour.
Soon they’ll have everyone on £1.50 per hour because place like ASDA can just get people from the job centre to work long hours for their dole money.
Why pay people the NMW when you can get people from the job centre to do just as much for nothing as the job centre pays for it.
There’s me but then there’s old people who have contributed to society and no longer do so. In fact old people have contributed years to society and still get treated like people who’ve contributed a couple of months to society.
How fair is that?
Quote There are countless "jobs" that you could do if the government set it's mind to making everyone contribute to society.'"
Like cutting the grass with scissors…
In America the system is a lot harsher than over here. For example The Texas governor has offered the unemployed two choices. They either buy a job or be grateful that they unemployed in Texas rather than another state in the USA.
Things have got so bad in America you can buy your own job 
There’s going to be global unrest before long thanks to the mistreatment of the unemployed.
Quote There is an old saying "You are either inside the tent pi55ing out, or outside the tent pi55ing in." Which do you think you and the 2 million other non workers are doing in a time of financial hardship for the nation?'"
The Non Workers are providing the government a group of people for the working class to have a go at. The 2 million unemployed are they to make you feel grateful that you’ve got a job.Some people get a sick satisfaction out of the fact that they doing better than others. |
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Whatever next, "Eddie Waring was Mafia hit-man" ?'"
Or the presenter of small-time American talent-fest 'The Gong Show' was a CIA agent .... |
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one of the marx brothers was a CIA agent. true story
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John Wayne was a CIA agent too - true story
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If your CV can confirm you are not workshy, then post it on here to prove to all your doubters that is the case. Of course if you don't / can't it will prove them all right.
With regard to the £1.50 per hour you got "paid" at ASDA, I simply don't believe you. That would be illegal as it doesn't meet the minimum wage legislation and you could therefore take ASDA to court. If, as you claim, ASDA are willing to replace their workforce who must legally be paid at least the minimum wage, with other "job centre" workers, that would lead to a lot of court cases, and a hell of a lot more costs than paying the minimum wage to their staff. It is not in any companies interests to be dragged into litigation for failing to comply with the employment law, so I find your claim very hard to believe.
By the way if you were willing to work, you would be working for Serge Storms company now as he offered you a position in the warehouse a couple of weeks ago.
You make a flippant remark about "cutting grass with scissors", but what's the problem with making a contribution to society for your free handout? I don't suggest it has to be demeaning, but you seem to think its perfectly acceptable to "sponge" off society without having to contribute. It is simply ridiculous that you insinuate we should all pity you because it "took you a year to come to terms with being on the dole". Get a grip. You might pity yourself, but don't expect everyone else to feel sorry for you.
Oh and if you don't want your dole money, why take it? Are your principles so cheap that they can be bought with what you have already confirmed is £50 a week?
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Spot on batley! There are thousands of pot holes in the roads that its claimed will take 10th years to fix. Why not get the benefit takers trained up to do the job?
Again as for there being no jobs, there is loads of agency work out there, particularly in warehouses, problem is people believe its below them, even though they've been claiming for months, or even years. The truth is they'd rather take the easy club from the government than put in some hard graft, admittedly for not much more money. It's all down to values and pride. There are workers and there are spongers.
And if you ate taking the dole money, why not do voluntary work for a charity or hospices. Surely that Will give some pride and senae od achievement, along with helping people who really are in a worse position than you!
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Hasn't taken a Tory government that long to brainwash the fairly dim aspirational middle classes to believe all the ills society suffers are caused by the benefit classes.
Let me remind Batleyrhino and Superted that the current economic meltdown was caused not by benefit seekers but the kind of white collar, thatcherite "workers" that bats and superted probably admire.
And I don't class fekkless, mentally challenged, internet attention seeker damo as part of the benefit classes. He's one on his own, shall we say.
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| Let me make sure you understand what I'm getting at. I'll type slowly so you can understand...
I have no personal issue with Damo, but I do believe that everyone should contribute to society. There are lots of ways in which people can do this, and they are determined by their circumstances at the time. Not everyone can be a high flying solicitor...
I object to those who simply want to leech from society and consider that "life owes them a living".
I have no "Thatcherite" agenda as you imply, moreso I simply would like everyone to contribute in whatever way they can. I do not own a Porsche or a BMW, nor do I work in "the city" so I fail to see why you are trying to label me as a Tory boy as I simply don't share those principles. Not that it's any of your business, but I haven't voted Conservative for a very, very, very long time.
Thanks for coming on the thread, it's nice to engage in debate with someone of different opinion who is capable of a decent level of discussion.
ps, we don't have a Tory government, we have a coalition.
pps, I am well aware of the reckless stupidity of the Financial Institutions and how they, in conjunction with a greed driven society, have created the financial mess that we are in today. |
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Quote I have no personal issue with Damo,'" I do and you should. Because he's not representative of the group of people you're stereotyping him with. He's a freak of an individual. Your issue should be with Damo rather than this mysterious class of people you believe exist that do not want to contribute to society.
Quote but I do believe that everyone should contribute to society.'" As do I.
Quote There are lots of ways in which people can do this, and they are determined by their circumstances at the time.'" You're sounding almost Hitler-esque. His "put the people to work policies" were actually very good at re-building post WWI German economy.
Quote I object to those who simply want to leech from society and consider that "life owes them a living".'" Other than Damo, who are these people? Where have you seen this group of people? Where do this group of people live? Do this group of people really exist or have you lazily accepted the demonetisation of our underclasses by the Tory led coalition government?
Quote I have no "Thatcherite" agenda as you imply, moreso I simply would like everyone to contribute in whatever way they can. I do not own a Porsche or a BMW, nor do I work in "the city" so I fail to see why you are trying to label me as a Tory boy as I simply don't share those principles. Not that it's any of your business, but I haven't voted Conservative for a very, very, very long time.'" I don't define those principles by which high end German manufactured car you drive but by the beliefs you posted.
Quote Thanks for coming on the thread, it's nice to engage in debate with someone of different opinion who is capable of a decent level of discussion.
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Pleasure. I couldn't resist when my attention was drawn to it.
Quote ps, we don't have a Tory government, we have a coalition.'"
Mr Clegg has been a real driving force ijn the "liberal" policies such as scrapping Child Benefits etc hasn't he
Quote pps, I am well aware of the reckless stupidity of the Financial Institutions and how they, in conjunction with a greed driven society, have created the financial mess that we are in today.'" Yet it's the been those on benefits that seem to be the ones that have been demonised by the present TORY/[size=50lib dem[/size coalition since they came to power and not the cross section of society that really caused the issues. |
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With regard to the £1.50 per hour you got "paid" at ASDA, I simply don't believe you. That would be illegal as it doesn't meet the minimum wage legislation and you could therefore take ASDA to court.'"
It was a work experience scheme provided by the job club, they paid an allowance, Asda provided a place for a fortnight to see if they could ...
a) Utilise any of the young unemployed on the register
b) Teach any of the young unemployed that work isn't going to kill you or stress you too much
c) No promise of a job at the end but its your chance to impress, a bit like an Asda audition
Normally it works quite well, on this occasion the subject couldn't hack it, the £1.50 an hour is a mis-claim as it was never a waged position. |
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I apologise for the condescending manner I started my last post with, I suppose it's due to the tone of the thread and my apathy for those not willing to work. That is however no excuse.
To respond to your comments about "do these people even exist" take a look around any city centre and you will see them. Damo quoted a figure of 2 million unemployed, which we regularly see in the media, particularly at this time. I firmly believe that a large majority of them are actively looking for work, and they should be supported by society for doing so. As you know I live near Pontefract these days so I see many of them milling around the job centre whenever I go into town.
I find it interesting that you are isolating Damo from this section of society as, in your words he is Feckless and Mentally Challenged. What qualifies you to form this opinion? I also find it interesting that you tell me I should have a problem with him rather than an aspect of society.
With regard to Mr Clegg and his effect on policy, it's a tough one to call, as IMO we (the public) are unlikely to see his and his parties effects as they are probably the "brakes" for the relationship rather than the "accelerator" meaning that they are preventing certain policies from coming forward rather than forming them. I see the Liberal Democrats as a critically important balancing factor in the current goverment.
I also don't buy the "demonisation" of those on benefits as you refer to it. There are millions of very unfortunate people who completely deserve the support of the government, it just happens that those unwilling to work (voluntary or otherwise) don't fall into that category IMHO.
There is far too much effort, energy and money spent on demonising party politics in this country when it should be spent in more positive ways to benefit society generally, an opinion I'm sure you will agree with.
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Quote ="batleyrhino"If your CV can confirm you are not workshy, then post it on here to prove to all your doubters that is the case. Of course if you don't / can't it will prove them all right.'"
Work Experience
Local Hairdressers(2008 - present)
Floor sweeper
After having my hair cut at the local hairdressers I often offer to sweep up the hair on floor to gain experience in cleaning. My ambition is to eventually serve tea in this establishment so then I can apply for jobs that involve serving guest in a restaurant.
Local Rice & Noodle Shop (2010)
Social Marketer
Facebook is a great way to advertise on where people should eat. After having a takeaway from my local rice and noodle shop I let everyone know how much I’ve enjoyed it. This encourages more people to purchase their food from The Local Rice & Noodle Shop.
Farsley Paper Shop (2009)
Shelf Stacker
After a clumsy customer knocked a few goods off the shelf I decided to help and put the items back where they belong. The shop keep at the time was so pleased with my help she gave me a 10p mix.
Quote With regard to the £1.50 per hour you got "paid" at ASDA, I simply don't believe you. That would be illegal as it doesn't meet the minimum wage legislation and you could therefore take ASDA to court. If, as you claim, ASDA are willing to replace their workforce who must legally be paid at least the minimum wage, with other "job centre" workers, that would lead to a lot of court cases, and a hell of a lot more costs than paying the minimum wage to their staff. It is not in any companies interests to be dragged into litigation for failing to comply with the employment law, so I find your claim very hard to believe.'"
Its happening and these people don’t protest for nothing -
Unemployed people claiming Job Seekers Allowance are, after a specified period signing on, forced to attend private companies such as A4e under threat of having their benefits stopped. A4e, in their turn, try to force these claimants to work for their benefits on temporary work placements at both voluntary sector organisations and at private companies. ECAP are urging workers to pressure their employers not to use this slave labour.
Source: www.indymediascotland.org/node/19721
And you should read this Article too -
Hello workfare
One of the latest reforms is the introduction of the ‘Flexible New Deal’, which began in October 2009. The year-long scheme is not run directly by the government, but is contracted out to a number of private companies who stand to receive millions in public money to bully the unemployed into accepting any job at rock bottom wages. This won’t create any new jobs – it will just force the unemployed to compete desperately with each other for the few jobs that are available. The effect of this on the labour market will be to push down wages and reduce job security even further.
After six months on the FND claimants are forced to work for their benefits (workfare) for one month: 40 hours work a week for 4 weeks in order to receive a meagre £64.30 a week (or even less for couples or the under 25s). Even for those on the ‘higher’ rate, this is just £1.60 an hour! The scheme benefits employers and nobody else. Why take on workers at minimum wage or higher when you can get them at £1.60 an hour? Those who lose their jobs due to the recession may one day find themselves forced to work their old job for benefit levels. This will only exacerbate the ‘race to the bottom’ in wages and conditions which is fast becoming the norm in the ‘modern economy’.
Source: libcom.org/news/farewell-welfare-23082010
Now in reguards to my ‘ASDA’ placement. I was put on at the same time as someone else and that someone else stuck it out.
Guess where I last saw him?
Walking home from the dole. Workfare is reality and its going to be like this for a very long time.
Quote By the way if you were willing to work, you would be working for Serge Storms company now as he offered you a position in the warehouse a couple of weeks ago. '"
I didn’t have my glasses at the time. I’ve recently let him know that I’ve got my glasses back and he hasn’t got back in touch.
Quote You make a flippant remark about "cutting grass with scissors", but what's the problem with making a contribution to society for your free handout? I don't suggest it has to be demeaning, but you seem to think its perfectly acceptable to "sponge" off society without having to contribute. It is simply ridiculous that you insinuate we should all pity you because it "took you a year to come to terms with being on the dole". Get a grip. You might pity yourself, but don't expect everyone else to feel sorry for you.'"
I’ve got a grip thank you.
To be fair I do think that people should contribute for their benefits on fair terms. 10 hours a week (its probably less) would be fair as you are getting the NMW for the hours that your working. Anymore than 10 hours then its slave labour as it below the NMW.
Quote Oh and if you don't want your dole money, why take it? Are your principles so cheap that they can be bought with what you have already confirmed is £50 a week?'"
I’m reluctantly taking it as I’m sure many people are. People don’t go skipping all the way there and all the way back to the job centre. |
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Quote ="batleyrhino"If your CV can confirm you are not workshy, then post it on here to prove to all your doubters that is the case. Of course if you don't / can't it will prove them all right.'"
Work Experience
Local Hairdressers(2008 - present)
Floor sweeper
After having my hair cut at the local hairdressers I often offer to sweep up the hair on floor to gain experience in cleaning. My ambition is to eventually serve tea in this establishment so then I can apply for jobs that involve serving guest in a restaurant.
Local Rice & Noodle Shop (2010)
Social Marketer
Facebook is a great way to advertise on where people should eat. After having a takeaway from my local rice and noodle shop I let everyone know how much I’ve enjoyed it. This encourages more people to purchase their food from The Local Rice & Noodle Shop.
Farsley Paper Shop (2009)
Shelf Stacker
After a clumsy customer knocked a few goods off the shelf I decided to help and put the items back where they belong. The shop keep at the time was so pleased with my help she gave me a 10p mix.
Quote With regard to the £1.50 per hour you got "paid" at ASDA, I simply don't believe you. That would be illegal as it doesn't meet the minimum wage legislation and you could therefore take ASDA to court. If, as you claim, ASDA are willing to replace their workforce who must legally be paid at least the minimum wage, with other "job centre" workers, that would lead to a lot of court cases, and a hell of a lot more costs than paying the minimum wage to their staff. It is not in any companies interests to be dragged into litigation for failing to comply with the employment law, so I find your claim very hard to believe.'"
Its happening and these people don’t protest for nothing -
Unemployed people claiming Job Seekers Allowance are, after a specified period signing on, forced to attend private companies such as A4e under threat of having their benefits stopped. A4e, in their turn, try to force these claimants to work for their benefits on temporary work placements at both voluntary sector organisations and at private companies. ECAP are urging workers to pressure their employers not to use this slave labour.
Source: www.indymediascotland.org/node/19721
And you should read this Article too -
Hello workfare
One of the latest reforms is the introduction of the ‘Flexible New Deal’, which began in October 2009. The year-long scheme is not run directly by the government, but is contracted out to a number of private companies who stand to receive millions in public money to bully the unemployed into accepting any job at rock bottom wages. This won’t create any new jobs – it will just force the unemployed to compete desperately with each other for the few jobs that are available. The effect of this on the labour market will be to push down wages and reduce job security even further.
After six months on the FND claimants are forced to work for their benefits (workfare) for one month: 40 hours work a week for 4 weeks in order to receive a meagre £64.30 a week (or even less for couples or the under 25s). Even for those on the ‘higher’ rate, this is just £1.60 an hour! The scheme benefits employers and nobody else. Why take on workers at minimum wage or higher when you can get them at £1.60 an hour? Those who lose their jobs due to the recession may one day find themselves forced to work their old job for benefit levels. This will only exacerbate the ‘race to the bottom’ in wages and conditions which is fast becoming the norm in the ‘modern economy’.
Source: libcom.org/news/farewell-welfare-23082010
Now in reguards to my ‘ASDA’ placement. I was put on at the same time as someone else and that someone else stuck it out.
Guess where I last saw him?
Walking home from the dole. Workfare is reality and its going to be like this for a very long time.
Quote By the way if you were willing to work, you would be working for Serge Storms company now as he offered you a position in the warehouse a couple of weeks ago. '"
I didn’t have my glasses at the time. I’ve recently let him know that I’ve got my glasses back and he hasn’t got back in touch.
Quote You make a flippant remark about "cutting grass with scissors", but what's the problem with making a contribution to society for your free handout? I don't suggest it has to be demeaning, but you seem to think its perfectly acceptable to "sponge" off society without having to contribute. It is simply ridiculous that you insinuate we should all pity you because it "took you a year to come to terms with being on the dole". Get a grip. You might pity yourself, but don't expect everyone else to feel sorry for you.'"
I’ve got a grip thank you.
To be fair I do think that people should contribute for their benefits on fair terms. 10 hours a week (its probably less) would be fair as you are getting the NMW for the hours that your working. Anymore than 10 hours then its slave labour as it below the NMW.
Quote Oh and if you don't want your dole money, why take it? Are your principles so cheap that they can be bought with what you have already confirmed is £50 a week?'"
I’m reluctantly taking it as I’m sure many people are. People don’t go skipping all the way there and all the way back to the job centre. | |
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People don’t go skipping all the way there and all the way back to the job centre.'"
No most of them probably get a taxi payed for by the tax payer the lazy c4nts  |
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