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| Quote ="William Eve"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/1756790.stm[uRobert Mears[/u[/url'"
So your grand example of the CEO and coach being antagonistic, threatening, hostile and full of retribution is to post a link of a guy who was here for a single season way back in 2001 (10 years before the current coach took over btw) and his main gripe was that he was told by the team manager to take a taxi home when he picked up a collarbone injury?
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| Quote ="illy"2001. 15 years ago. hardly recent.'"
What has recent got to do with it?
The current CEO has been in charge since 1996, so Mears treatment is relevant.
I've already stated earlier that Leeds have a reputation for being malevolent, hostile, litigious, towards players who the club (The CEO) no longer see eye to eye with.
Far more malevolent, hostile and litigious than any other club I'm aware of.
Here's others who the club have treated poorly during the tenure of current management... Jamie Thackray, Ben Cross, Darrell Griffin, Paul Sterling, Nick Scruton, Paul McShane, Danny Ward, Lee Jackson, Mark Calderwood, Liam Hood.
I get it.
You don't like the CEO or the club being criticised.
This is a discussion forum with lots of differing views.
Get used to it.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"The £250,000 asking price will be negotiable. I'm sure if Cronulla offer £100,000 and GH thinks that's the best offer we'll get he'll take it.'"
Cronulla won't be offering anything.
Nor will any other NRL club.
Just like the Bulldogs offered nothing for Eastwood apart from some vague close relationship in the future.
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| Quote ="William Eve"What has recent got to do with it?.'"
Well considering you wrote.... "Absolutely not, but what concerns me is the reputation the club has for retribution, recrimination, hostility, malevolence... etc... as is being displayed CURRENTLY by the ceo AND THE COACH, yet again!"
.....then a 2001 example that doesn't even involve the current coach you included in your criticism is rightly questioned.
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| Quote ="William Eve"What has recent got to do with it?
The current CEO has been in charge since 1996, so Mears treatment is relevant.
I've already stated earlier that Leeds have a reputation for being malevolent, hostile, litigious, towards players who the club (The CEO) no longer see eye to eye with.
Far more malevolent, hostile and litigious than any other club I'm aware of.
Here's others who the club have treated poorly during the tenure of current management... Jamie Thackray, Ben Cross, Darrell Griffin, Paul Sterling, Nick Scruton, Paul McShane, Danny Ward, Lee Jackson, Mark Calderwood, Liam Hood.
I get it.
You don't like the CEO or the club being criticised.
This is a discussion forum with lots of differing views.
Get used to it.'"
Plenty on that list that had questionable attitudes/behaviour whilst here so hardly a one way thing!!
I'll happily question/criticise GH on a number of subjects but lets not hold every player on that list as holier than thou & blameless for their treatment/departures
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Plenty on that list that had questionable attitudes/behaviour whilst here so hardly a one way thing!!
I'll happily question/criticise GH on a number of subjects but lets not hold every player on that list as holier than thou & blameless for their treatment/departures'"
And you're entitled to that opinion.
Unfortunately for the CEO, he no longer has a squad of players with a core group displaying leadership qualities who look remotely likely to bail him or his ego out anytime soon.
Now where's that Plan B?
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| Quote ="William Eve"And you're entitled to that opinion.
Unfortunately for the CEO, he no longer has a squad of players with a core group displaying leadership qualities who look remotely likely to bail him or his ego out anytime soon.
Now where's that Plan B?'"
I agree with that & thus far "plan B" has been a car crash the next 12/18mths will be crucial & show whether or not the CEO has reached his sell by date i do think his 2 biggest mistakes thus far wrt the transition has been recruitment & retaining this Coaching set up which doesn't bode well at all imo.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Karl Pratt.'"
I know that Karl Pratt had two years left on his contract when Leeds let him go and lost a tribunal at the RFL in to trying to get a transfer fee.
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As for Pratt, Powell is reluctant to comment on his release, although he supported remarks made by Gary Hethertington on Thursday.
"Karl has been at the club four years and his level of commitment is way below the standard required," said the the Rhinos chief executive.
"Unless he changes his attitude and habits he will struggle wherever he plays."
What I don't know is whether Leeds paid out the remaining contract.
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| Don't forget the disgusting way we've treated Mitch Achurch.
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| If Leeds release Chicko it's the usual weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, booo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.
Leeds don't and it's, weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, boo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.
By plenty, duly noted, straw man!
Boring troll is boring.
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| Quote ="William Eve"What has recent got to do with it?
The current CEO has been in charge since 1996, so Mears treatment is relevant.
I've already stated earlier that Leeds have a reputation for being malevolent, hostile, litigious, towards players who the club (The CEO) no longer see eye to eye with.
Far more malevolent, hostile and litigious than any other club I'm aware of.
Here's others who the club have treated poorly during the tenure of current management... Jamie Thackray, Ben Cross, Darrell Griffin, Paul Sterling, Nick Scruton, Paul McShane, Danny Ward, Lee Jackson, Mark Calderwood, Liam Hood.
I get it.
You don't like the CEO or the club being criticised.
This is a discussion forum with lots of differing views.
Get used to it.'"
Recent has everything to do with it when you state " Currently by the CEO and the Coach" and the current coach was no where near Leeds back in 2001.
On your new list of players:
Calderwood left for more money and to play full back ( he Can't)
Danny Ward Several issues and warnings for behavior and drink driving
Paul Sterling Treated badly by the coach of the time Dean Lance.... Dean Lance SACKED by the CEO
Ben Cross Was a flop and did not get into the team, asked for a release which was granted
Lee Jackson Left in 2000 with 12 months contract remaining to return to Hull on a two year deal again long before BM was coach
Darrell Griffin Could not get in team and sent to Salford on loan, should not have done the Dirty on Saints after agreeing a verbal deal with them.
Jamie Thackray Another player who did not make the grade and shipped out to Doncaster and Hull
So which of these players have suffered from "malevolent, hostile, litigious, actions by GH / BM.
Criticism of the club is / can be justified at times however your constant whine is boring and yes a discussion board so other peoples views also count.
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| Quote ="illy"Recent has everything to do with it when you state " Currently by the CEO and the Coach" and the current coach was no where near Leeds back in 2001.
On your new list of players:
Calderwood left for more money and to play full back ( he Can't)
Danny Ward Several issues and warnings for behavior and drink driving
Paul Sterling Treated badly by the coach of the time Dean Lance.... Dean Lance SACKED by the CEO
Ben Cross Was a flop and did not get into the team, asked for a release which was granted
Lee Jackson Left in 2000 with 12 months contract remaining to return to Hull on a two year deal again long before BM was coach
Darrell Griffin Could not get in team and sent to Salford on loan, should not have done the Dirty on Saints after agreeing a verbal deal with them.
Jamie Thackray Another player who did not make the grade and shipped out to Doncaster and Hull
So which of these players have suffered from "malevolent, hostile, litigious, actions by GH / BM.
Criticism of the club is / can be justified at times however your constant whine is boring and yes a discussion board so other peoples views also count.'"
You overlooked two players who the club treated appallingly - Chev Walker and Ryan Bailey. Neither of those needed to end up in prison if the club had paid for the appropriate quality of legal advice. Sadly the club left them out to dry and into youth custody/prison.
Ryan Sheridan and Andy Hay two from many years ago!!
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| paul sterling was disliked by the players and they didn't want him there.
danny ward had numerous warnings for drinking.
Calderwood thought the grass was greener and wanted to go.
Thackray was a waste of space, addicted to fruit machines and liked a drink at the wrong time
the only relevant one on the list is liam hood
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You overlooked two players who the club treated appallingly - Chev Walker and Ryan Bailey. Neither of those needed to end up in prison if the club had paid for the appropriate quality of legal advice. Sadly the club left them out to dry and into youth custody/prison.
Ryan Sheridan and Andy Hay two from many years ago!!'"
So it's GH's fault that two people broke the law and got themselves jailed.
Anything else we want to blame GH and the club for? Princess Diana's death maybe? The stock market crash of 1929? Shergar's disappearance?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So it's GH's fault that two people broke the law and got themselves jailed.
Anything else we want to blame GH and the club for? Princess Diana's death maybe? The stock market crash of 1929? Shergar's disappearance?'"
I too find it difficult to understand why it would ever be the clubs responsibility to fund legal advice for two of their employees who have allegedly committed an offence out of work time... ![THINK eusa_think.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I too find it difficult to understand why it would ever be the clubs responsibility to fund legal advice for two of their employees who have allegedly committed an offence out of work time...
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I'm certain that if the majority on here got sent to prison for a drunken brawl they wouldn't have a job when they got out nevermind the CEO turning up to court as a character witness and releasing a statement of support after the guilty verdict.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I too find it difficult to understand why it would ever be the clubs responsibility to fund legal advice for two of their employees who have allegedly committed an offence out of work time...
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Its the club's job to get these young guys earning not a lot the best advice and representation - something Leeds failed to achieve. If you speak to Chev - who I think is a pretty level headed down to earth guy - he really resents the way the club virtually washed their hands of them. Yes the let them play on after but that was only to stop other clubs getting their hands on them.
Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.
It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So it's GH's fault that two people broke the law and got themselves jailed.
Anything else we want to blame GH and the club for? Princess Diana's death maybe? The stock market crash of 1929? Shergar's disappearance?'"
I appreciate it was well before your short time as a supporter but the club could have down significantly more than they did.
How they ended up in prison for something that goes on numerous time in the centre of Leeds every weekend defies belief.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"
Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.
It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?'"
It probably was far worse i agree. I also don't agree they should have defended them either. As WF Rhino says, in any other walk of life your employer would not be willing to provide legal aid out of work time, especially drunken disorderly on the lash with your mates.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You overlooked two players'"
No he didn't, he was responding (brilliantly) to William's straw grasper of a post.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So it's GH's fault that two people broke the law and got themselves jailed. '"
Keep up Printer. Everything's GH fault, apart from those things that are McDermott's fault.
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"If Leeds release Chicko it's the usual weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, booo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.
Leeds don't and it's, weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, boo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.
By plenty, duly noted, straw man!
Boring troll is boring.'"
Not forgetting... Sheeple & 911 was an inside job.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Its the club's job to get these young guys earning not a lot the best advice and representation - something Leeds failed to achieve. If you speak to Chev - who I think is a pretty level headed down to earth guy - he really resents the way the club virtually washed their hands of them. Yes the let them play on after but that was only to stop other clubs getting their hands on them.
Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.
It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?'"
Did Bowyer and Woodgate deserve to walk free? Did Walker and Bailey? Ever heard of taking responsibility for your actions? Why did Bowyer and Woodgate get better advice/representation.....anybody would think football had a lot more money in that sport than RL.
You say it's the clubs job to get these guys the best advice and representation.....well it's also the players jobs not to get themselves arrested for drunken brawls so they failed in their roles much worst first.
The people to blame for Walker and Bailey being jailed are......Walker and Bailey.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Quote ="Biff Tannen"I too find it difficult to understand why it would ever be the clubs responsibility to fund legal advice for two of their employees who have allegedly committed an offence out of work time...
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Its the club's job to get these young guys earning not a lot the best advice and representation - something Leeds failed to achieve. If you speak to Chev - who I think is a pretty level headed down to earth guy - he really resents the way the club virtually washed their hands of them. Yes the let them play on after but that was only to stop other clubs getting their hands on them.
Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.
It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?'"
Interesting you should say that - as having known both players well from well before that incident, I have the complete opposite impression. Both players and their families have expressed nothing but gratitude and praise for the way Leeds supported them during and after that whole eopisode.
And for one of them, that support continued for over a decade, despite many other incidents along the way.
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