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| Quote ="Batesy"Maybe he was looking for reasons as to why we haven't seen the best of Sinfield, you don't just turn up to Rugby games and be off your best after having a good season. Form just doesn't work like that in my experience'"
If he was looking for reasons as to Sinfield's poor performances he could have actually tried looking into it and using his knowledge of the game to back that up.
Its not necessarily about form.
Sinfield is the major playmaker at Leeds, at International level he hasnt been until he's been moved to hooker and can have more of an impact out of dummy half than at loose forward, without taking the ball away from the 2 half backs.
Jonh couldve come on and said Sinfield lacks pace to be a half back, which is probably true, but no he made up some rubbish about mental strength out of nowhere with nothing whatsoever to back it up and then is wondering why everyone is suggesting he doesnt know what he's on about.
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| Quote ="BigRob"If he was looking for reasons as to Sinfield's poor performances he could have actually tried looking into it and using his knowledge of the game to back that up.
Its not necessarily about form.
Sinfield is the major playmaker at Leeds, at International level he hasnt been until he's been moved to hooker and can have more of an impact out of dummy half than at loose forward, without taking the ball away from the 2 half backs.
Jonh couldve come on and said Sinfield lacks pace to be a half back, which is probably true, but no he made up some rubbish about mental strength out of nowhere with nothing whatsoever to back it up and then is wondering why everyone is suggesting he doesnt know what he's on about.'"
Do not confuse having a different opinion of a player to you as bitterness.
Why would i be bitter exactly what is there to be bitter about?
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"So basically you're agreeing with me other than that Sinfield's best position for his country is hooker. Well you're entitled to your opinion of course but the fact that everyone agrees on this, including the national coach (and his ex club coach, no less!) and Sinfield himself, would suggest that it does make it correct. Alternatively your lone voice is espousing the one true and correct opinion. I'll leave it to your good self to decide the reality of the situation.'"
Were you watching last night? Sinfield played half the game at 9 and the other half at 13 both equally impressive. The difference is that the game plan last night was for Sinfield to be the main playmaker. The number on his back made no difference. Whether he plays at acting half back or central organiser he is a class act. He also was our real leader on the field last night constantly talking and encouraging the other players and calling the moves.
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| Quote ="jonh"
Why would i be bitter exactly what is there to be bitter about?'"
The he gets in ahead of your curly haired rag doll.
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| Quote ="Head High Tackle"The he gets in ahead of your curly haired rag doll.'"
Locky is not a hooker, there is room in the team for both of them.
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| Quote ="jonh"Locky is not a hooker'"
Neither is Sinfield. It just turns out he's a better hooker than any of the 'proper' British hookers in SL.
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| Quote ="jonh"Do not confuse having a different opinion of a player to you as bitterness.
Why would i be bitter exactly what is there to be bitter about? '"
Are you seriously telling me this
Quote ="jonh"he has never let his country down unlike Sinfield '"
Quote ="jonh"Funny how Sinfield Wilkin and McGuire look like World beaters vs the French but offer next to nothing vs the best in the world.'"
Quote ="jonh"lack the levels required to take it to the International performance, but have enough to cope with the domestic game where there full ability is rarely tested. '"
Quote ="jonh" i am highlighting the fact that they lack in this department to transform there ability to be top International players.'"
Quote ="jonh"mental toughness and strength, McGuire lacks this as does Sinfield '"
Quote ="jonh"but he has much to do to prove me wrong. He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays. '"
Quote ="jonh" it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.'"
Doesnt come across as just a tad bitter? Even after 2 very good performances against the 2 best nations in the world?
You seem happy enough to condemn Burrow and McGuire on less.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Are you seriously telling me this
Doesnt come across as just a tad bitter? Even after 2 very good performances against the 2 best nations in the world?
You seem happy enough to condemn Burrow and McGuire on less.'"
It comes over as a realistic assessment of some of our current and past Internationals.
As i have said all the way through I also rate these players as Sl players but not as International players.
Sinfield may yet prove me wrong if he is able to continue with his current level of performance.
Although i dont think his performance against Australia was fantastic, he was poor in the fist half like most of the rest of them but much better when moved from 13 so i would say he has thus far had a game and a half's worth of good performances. Long may it continue England need it to as his style at hooker complements our 2 exciting halves and aids them with there deficiencies.
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| Quote ="jonh"It comes over as a realistic assessment of some of our current and past Internationals. '"
Quote ="jonh"As i have said all the way through I also rate these players as Sl players but not as International players.'"
No sorry I forgot, only Tomkins and O'Loughlin are rated as International players and have the correct mentality for it.
Quote ="jonh"Sinfield may yet prove me wrong if he is able to continue with his current level of performance.'"
Which is a higher level of performance than Tomkins so far. Surely now Myler should be brought back in to replace him. Thats how it works at international level.
Quote ="jonh"Although i dont think his performance against Australia was fantastic, he was poor in the fist half like most of the rest of them '"
Except Tomkins
Quote ="jonh"but much better when moved from 13 so i would say he has thus far had a game and a half's worth of good performances. '"
Im sorry, was he playing all game at hooker last night?
Quote ="jonh"Long may it continue England need it to as his style at hooker complements our 2 exciting halves and aids them with there deficiencies.'"
Thats the first sensible thing you've said regards Sinfield on this thread.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Were you watching last night? Sinfield played half the game at 9 and the other half at 13 both equally impressive. The difference is that the game plan last night was for Sinfield to be the main playmaker. The number on his back made no difference. Whether he plays at acting half back or central organiser he is a class act. He also was our real leader on the field last night constantly talking and encouraging the other players and calling the moves.'"
Spot on.
Can you post more often, you make me think there are guys out there who actually undesrstand the game they are watching.
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| Quote ="jonh"Now you are simply making things up, unless these are your opinions as i have said no such thing of much of what you have put in this post.'"
You need to understand you lost all credibilty some time ago.
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| Quote ="jonh"Locky is not a hooker, there is room in the team for both of them.'" No there isn't. There are several players who are way ahead of O'Loughlin in the pecking order for the 13 jersey internationally.
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| Quote ="G1"No there isn't. There are several players who are way ahead of O'Loughlin in the pecking order for the 13 jersey internationally.'"
We will see.
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| Quote ="G1"We ARE seeing.'"
How so, SOL is unavailable due to injury, when they are both fit both will play for England, assuming Sinfield can maintain his new found international form.
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| Quote ="jonh"How so, SOL is unavailable due to injury, when they are both fit both will play for England, assuming Sinfield can maintain his new found international form.'"
what has S'OL done to dislodge Burgess?
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| Quote ="jonh"How so, SOL is unavailable due to injury, when they are both fit both will play for England, assuming Sinfield can maintain his new found international form.'" You might as well have begun your post, once upon a time. When O'Loughlin's body is finally able to handle international rugby he will have Sinfield, Burgess, Ellis and Wilkin ahead of him.
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| Quote ="G1"You might as well have begun your post, once upon a time. When O'Loughlin's body is finally able to handle international rugby he will have Sinfield, Burgess, Ellis and Wilkin ahead of him.'"
like i said time will tell.
i do find it amusing that you are getting so precious about Sinfield and trying to generate a reaction by bringing SOL's selection into it on a thread about Danny McGuire.
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| Quote ="jonh"i do find it amusing '" You should get out more.
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| Quote ="G1"You should get out more.'"
il take that into consideration thanks for the advice precious
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| Quote ="jonh"Now you are simply making things up,'"
The person who says Sinfield lacks mental strength is accusing me of making things up
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| Quote ="jonh"like i said time will tell.
i do find it amusing that you are getting so precious about Sinfield and trying to generate a reaction by bringing SOL's selection into it on a thread about Danny McGuire.
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You don't find it amusing. You're rubber room material.
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| Quote ="jonh"like i said time will tell.
i do find it amusing that you are getting so precious about Sinfield and trying to generate a reaction by bringing SOL's selection into it on a thread about Danny McGuire.
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Just remind me who brought Sinfield into this thread with a thinly veiled attempt to belittle McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield. Yet strangely you have not suggested any players from your own team who lack this "mental strength". I do believe if Ellis still played for us you're that clueless you'd attempt to find a way to suggest he's not up to it as well
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| Quote ="BigRob"Just remind me who brought Sinfield into this thread with a thinly veiled attempt to belittle McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield. Yet strangely you have not suggested any players from your own team who lack this "mental strength". I do believe if Ellis still played for us you're that clueless you'd attempt to find a way to suggest he's not up to it as well
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Mainly due to the fact non have justified selection apart from Tomkins and Locky.
Tomkins we do not yet know enough about at this level and Locky is injured so nothing more to say.
Burrow. McGuire, Sinfield, Wilkin, Pryce, Wellens etc have all failed at International level to produce the form they have at club level. Sinfield may well come out of this group if he continues to perform like he has over the course of his last 120 minutes International form.
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