And your the sort to accept mediocrity.

It was clear at Easter this coach had it all wrong, and stated then. Why has it being proved right if the coach know best?

I sincerely hope the "ligament hanging by a thread" thing was an exaggeration.

Not going to be calling for the coaches head, but mistakes do seem (emphasis on seem, from the outside) to have been made. And I wouldn't want to think that the health of players with potentially serious injuries was being jeopardised.

That's good - so you will be happy with this season then - bet the players aren't?

Gotcha/Sal wtf are you on about? I'd be unhappy if I were a Hull fan & had watched my team bend over and get royally seen to but I saw my team fight until the final whistle after a tough season. Plus I've had the honour of watching the best player I've ever seen in a Leeds shirt (JP) have an absolute stormer of a season. So yes, I'm happy enough.


To quote big mac 'this season has been the worst he has ever known (as a player or coach) for long term injuries to key players. No, I wouldn't expect the players to be happy with the season, because I'd imagine they don't like being injured. To do what this squad has done - in a salary capped sport - is nothing short of miraculous. I've no doubt that regardless of who we sign/don't sign we'll be in the mix next year. Bring it on

This squad of players have won the last 2 Grand Finals despite having a coach with the tactical nous of a cabbage, and gave their all in the last couple of games to repeat that. The trackback and tackle by Kirk is an example of the great team spirit within the team.

We honestly applaud their efforts and commitments despite the injuries they were carrying, but all teams know that you need to peak in September and too many of our players have lost their sparkle. Ryan Hall and BJB being prime examples. Factor in BMD's baffling decision to leave Watkins on the pitch, and not throw the younger and fresh legs of his subs on earlier, when clearly the team was running on empty, and we were always up against it.

Simply a game too far for us, and it's just a pity it had to be Wigan.

The season is ultimately a disappointment. But for me I think the prior success and the injuries we've had mean that the current coaching staff have earned the right to respond next season. Other opinions will obviously differ. Opinions are like that.

I'm old enough to remember when it was a thrill to get to the John Player semi-finals, but standards and expectations are higher now.

This was, in terms of where we finished in the major competitions, a worse season than the one that saw our previous double-GF winning coach leave the club.

Back to Watkins, I suspect the feeling was he might run it off. Which to some extent he did but perhaps not as quickly as hoped. I'm not sure subbing him would've made much difference; we were simply below par in too many other areas. Too few attacking options and, regardless of coach, we don't have one player who can turn a game around single-handedly. To win we need the whole team to perform well as a unit and while the effort was there last night, this they didn't do.

The missus said to me, about 60 minutes in "what we need is an Ali" - and she's got a point.

We don't have a game changing sub any more. Someone who can come on and make a real impact. To an extent we have Burrow who, when played off the bench can come on and mix it up a bit but when he's played from the off the opposition have his number by 10 minutes in.

mcguire did absolute jack . burrow looked dangerous with ball in hand and i suggest you watch his kicking again. by far our best half back. mcguire offered nothing whatsoever

Watkins should have gone off at half time and given Sutcliffe a good run
At to burrow well if you took his metre forward deducted his metres backwards and nullified his metres side wards if think you would end up with a game average of minus 200 metres
McGuire is finished just like he was last season
JJB Peacock and Kyle need to retire
Leeds have had a great run but one plan McDermott will now run the old guys into the ground and another club will takeover from Leeds

Wigan St. Helens Bradford and Leeds have had an era. Wire and although it grieves me to say it giants are in the ascendency
Wire will win next week I fancy and McDermott will snuggle up in his permanent no questions ask job

Watkins should have gone off at half time and given Sutcliffe a good run
As to burrow well if you took his metre forward deducted his metres backwards and nullified his metres side wards if think you would end up with a game average of minus 200 metres
McGuire is finished just like he was last season
JJB Peacock and Kyle need to retire
Leeds have had a great run but one plan McDermott will now run the old guys into the ground and another club will takeover from Leeds

Wigan St. Helens Bradford and Leeds have had an era. Wire and although it grieves me to say it giants are in the ascendency
Wire will win next week I fancy and McDermott will snuggle up in his permanent no questions asked job

Totally agree, McGuire did absolutely nothing and was lucky not to get penalised as all he seems to do in the tackle these days is constantly niggle.
Sutcliffe should have been on from the start.

Quite right Tad

Saying it twice doesn't make it right. In fact it highlights the lack of a balanced view

3times now thanks

Oh believe me I have balance

No I don't believe you having read your posts

If only you knew. LOL

Care to elaborate, I'm intrigued?

Not really but I do know a about rugby league from an official perspective

No worries.

Some very poor coaching decisions most of the season with regards to team selection. Whilst we had our fair share of injuries it seems the coach has not planned well enough for their replacements. JJB should not have played last week or this week we had an able replacement in Singleton. Whilst McGuire kicked the winning goal last week and became a hero. He too should not of played last week or this week. Burrow runs sideways more than forward and Seinfeld is getting slower each week. We play without a recognised hooker which for a champion team is a flipping joke. Kylie needs to retire now enough is enough. The worlds best winger needs to find some pace. As stated previously Watkins should have been subbed. Moon,Ablett JP take a bow and I will admit Kirk played well for the amount of time he had on the pitch. Clarkson was poor again . No organisation against a Wigan team who were only slightly above average last night against a Leeds team who played with guts but nothing else.

What is a major concern, as the play offs have demonstrated and for most of the super league season,is we do not have a cutting edge against the better teams and the majority of time are clueless in the opposition 20 metres zone.
This has been evident for a while and is a concern that the coach or players are unable to rectify this weakness.

Certainly the rugby gods have not smiled on us injury wise this season, never the less full credit to the boys for courage and commitment last night and the saints game.
To think we are still playing without a specialist hooker is beyond belief, this as I never tire of saying creates an unbalanced team. The team team has gradually got weaker since the days of senior,Webb and a young Danny Mc Guire not forgetting big Ali . Yet we won last years grand final,looking at last nights match Wigan are a good solid workmanlike side , with Tompkins the stand out flair player.
With a fully fit team we may well have beat them, teams obviously go through peaks and trough periods it's how long your trough period is that is crucial .
Some harsh decisions must be taken before next season, Kylie and Danny Mc Guire along with Mc Shane must come under scrutiny.
Early in the next season we should be injecting youth into the team,even if we win nowt but use it as a springboard for the season after .
I will be supporting the wire next week as I think they are the better footballing team, plus I like tony smith he is a real good all round guy. By the way I don't hate Wigan or any other team and whatever our performances or fate are next season I will carry on supporting Leeds as I have done for forty years.

The go-to guys in the opposition 20 over our best years were Senior, Lauititi and Webb. Those were the ones who would break the better defences.

Senior's threat has been replaced by Watkins, when fit. We have nothing like Lauititi or Webb available to us at the moment.