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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Completely disagree - Sinfield was one of the most gifted players ever to pass through Leeds academy - his one achilles heel is his lack of real pace'"
Mentally and skill wise, yes. Physically, not at all. He isn't big, isn't fast, isn't particularly agile, quick of the mark, and only has good strength (for his size) and stamina.
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| Quote ="jonh"I have mentioned them throughout this thread, mental toughness and strength, McGuire lacks this as does Sinfield'"
Hmmm you really know your stuff you do!
Us Rhinos supporters love muppets like you that pop on every now and then and slag our players off
Yet again you are proved to be what you clearly are:
A no nowt bitter fan that clearly only watches one side each week
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"Hmmm you really know your stuff you do!
Us Rhinos supporters love muppets like you that pop on every now and then and slag our players off
Yet again you are proved to be what you clearly are:
A no nowt bitter fan that clearly only watches one side each week'"
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| Quote ="jonh"
Enjoy the game tonight i know i will be and I look forward to Sinfield playing a blinder '"
Good job Sinny didn't let you down then hey?
Sinny also showed an abundance of mental toughness
Go on what were you trying to say again
Theres one born and shown up every minute
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| To be honest, I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about Sinfield.....
Apart from captaining his side to 4 Grand Final wins, winning both the Lance Todd and Harry Sunderland trophies, having terrific games against Australia and New Zealand in consecutive weeks, being arguably the best goalkicker this country has seen over at least the past decade or so (especially from the touchline) and being a tackling machine, what has he ever done really???
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"To be honest, I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about Sinfield.....
Apart from captaining his side to 4 Grand Final wins, winning both the Lance Todd and Harry Sunderland trophies, having terrific games against Australia and New Zealand in consecutive weeks, being arguably the best goalkicker this country has seen over at least the past decade or so (especially from the touchline) and being a tackling machine, what has he ever done really???
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You make a good point
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| Quote ="jonh"I would counter that given I was talking about Sinfield and Locky you are another getting all defensive without reading what is actually in front of you.'"
Nowhere did I get defensive and I read this
Quote ="jonh"Sinfield is a far more naturally talented player '"
And I suggested that Sinfield wasnt naturally talented and had to work hard over many years at different aspects of his game.
Neither have I slagged off any other players unlike yourself.
Quote ="jonh"he has never let his country down unlike Sinfield and McGuire'"
Nor have I made an idiot out of myself in a desperate, self orgasmic attempt to belittle another teams player
Quote ="jonh"Danny McGuire just had a slightly off day by his International Standards.'"
Quote ="jonh"Funny how Sinfield Wilkin and McGuire look like World beaters vs the French but offer next to nothing vs the best in the world.'"
Quote ="jonh" lack the levels required to take it to the International performance, but have enough to cope with the domestic game where there full ability is rarely tested. '"
Quote ="jonh"It seems it is the Leeds fans getting very protective of there players rather than me claiming to be better or worse than any other clubs players, they would not have had domestic success over such a period were they poor players, i am highlighting the fact that they lack in this department to transform there ability to be top International players.'"
And to top it all off you suggest that a 4 time Grand Final, 2 time World Club Challenge, 2 time League Leaders League Shield, Harry Sunderland and Lance Todd Trophy winner has a lack of mental strength
Quote ="jonh" mental toughness and strength, McGuire lacks this as does Sinfield '"
And then you ask us to take you seriously?
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| Wow theres some great sig material there
Will he show his face on here ever again and eat humble pie?
If he doesn't then i was clearly right about him when i called him
A no nowt bitter fan that clearly only watches one side each week
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| I thought this thread was about McGuire.
Pretty anonymous tonight IMO.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I thought this thread was about McGuire.
Pretty anonymous tonight IMO.'"
He was wasnt he. He should never pull on an England jersey again along with everyone who has ever played in an England loss.
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| Quote ="BigRob"He was wasnt he. '"
No mistakes though.
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| Quote ="tvoc"No mistakes though.'"
True! A flawless game from McGuire this week
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| wasnt missed at all.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Not being techy at all. Just a different pint of view. If the "vast majority of posts that" you "have read" agree with your point of view this does not make it the correct one. Many of these posts have been from people that seem to have a bias against Sinfield. For most of Sinfield's international appearances he was one of the top tacklers and certainly was no worse than the rest. I agree he has never shown his top club form but as a creative ball player you do need the other players to run off you. When they do things happen. Big bashers up the middle are 2 a penny, ball players are few and far between. Too many times Sinfield has just had to drive the ball in which is not his forte.'"
So basically you're agreeing with me other than that Sinfield's best position for his country is hooker. Well you're entitled to your opinion of course but the fact that everyone agrees on this, including the national coach (and his ex club coach, no less!) and Sinfield himself, would suggest that it does make it correct. Alternatively your lone voice is espousing the one true and correct opinion. I'll leave it to your good self to decide the reality of the situation.
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| Excellent performance last night from him and indeed went some way to proving me wrong, happy yo say it, but he has much to do to prove me wrong. He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays.
Burrows has produced for 1 series and done nothing prior to it or since, it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.
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| Quote ="jonh"His England form up to this series has been poor, he has underachieved given his ability.
If you can't see this I would suggest the bit in bold is far more an appropriate assessment of you.'"
He doesn't have the "mental strength" for England you said so he's already proved you wrong on that point with his consistency,now you say he's got a long way to go to prove you wrong!!
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| Quote ="jonh"Excellent performance last night from him and indeed went some way to proving me wrong, happy yo say it,'"
Really? You're happy to say it?
Quote ="jonh"but he has much to do to prove me wrong.'"
Quote ="jonh"He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays.'"
Why only him? Why not Tomkins, Eastmond, Briscoe, Peacock, Morley, Roby, Wilkin, Hall, Fox, Bridge, Shenton etc
Quote ="jonh"Burrows'"
Who?
Quote ="jonh"[size=200Burrow[/size has produced for 1 series and done nothing prior to it'"
He'd only played in 1 game prior to it.
Quote ="jonh" or since, '"
That series was in 2007, by that logic every single player who played in the World Cup should be dropped. You really are making yourself look stupid.
Quote ="jonh"it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.'"
Your apparent bitterness is really quite funny to see.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"He doesn't have the "mental strength" for England you said so he's already proved you wrong on that point with his consistency,now you say he's got a long way to go to prove you wrong!!
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Presuming you go to Rhino's games, you see Sinfield alot more than I do, yet I know that the Sinfield we see in Super League hasn't been seen at International level. Do you agree?
If you do then you are agreeing with jonh, and so there isn't much point arguing, if you don't then I think you might be in the minority mate.
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| Quote ="BigRob"
Your apparent bitterness is really quite funny to see.'"
I don't get this, surely bitterness would be "Sinfield is terrible" even after a good performance. When actually all Jonh is saying is that Sinfield had a good game, and know he needs to put on a good display to cement himself as an international player.
Why is that bitterness?
(btw, Bitterness: resentment: a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will.
Thats a definition of bitterness, I'd tell you to ask your english teacher but it's the weekend and I don't want you to look a fool for whole day just because you don't understand one word)
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| Quote ="Batesy"Presuming you go to Rhino's games, you see Sinfield alot more than I do, yet I know that the Sinfield we see in Super League hasn't been seen at International level. Do you agree?
If you do then you are agreeing with jonh, and so there isn't much point arguing, if you don't then I think you might be in the minority mate.'"
That Sinfield hasnt shown his qualities at International level up until this year isnt in question. Whether thats Sinfields fault or the coaches is debateable. Personally I think its a bit of both.
But for jonh to come along and take obvious delight in attempting to slag off a player like Sinfield is laughable. He would have a point if he came on and said he didnt think Sinfield had performed at international level and tactically would rather have a backrower like O'Loughlin.
But he didnt. He said Sinfield wasnt up to International level and lacked mental strength.
Which is bo11ocks.
It would be akin to going on the Warrington board and saying that Morley is a puff who cant take a big hit and wimps out whenever things get tough simply because he's had a bad few games.
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| Quote ="BigRob"That Sinfield hasnt shown his qualities at International level up until this year isnt in question. Whether thats Sinfields fault or the coaches is debateable. Personally I think its a bit of both.
But for jonh to come along and take obvious delight in attempting to slag off a player like Sinfield is laughable. He would have a point if he came on and said he didnt think Sinfield had performed at international level and tactically would rather have a backrower like O'Loughlin.
But he didnt. He said Sinfield wasnt up to International level and lacked mental strength.
Which is bo11ocks.
It would be akin to going on the Warrington board and saying that Morley is a puff who cant take a big hit and wimps out whenever things get tough simply because he's had a bad few games.'"
Maybe he was looking for reasons as to why we haven't seen the best of Sinfield, you don't just turn up to Rugby games and be off your best after having a good season. Form just doesn't work like that in my experience
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| Quote ="Batesy"I don't get this, surely bitterness would be "Sinfield is terrible" even after a good performance. When actually all Jonh is saying is that Sinfield had a good game, and know he needs to put on a good display to cement himself as an international player.
Why is that bitterness? '"
Take a look at my post on the page prior to this one, and you'll see a fair amount of bitterness from jonh
Quote ="Batesy"(btw, Bitterness: resentment: a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will.
Thats a definition of bitterness, I'd tell you to ask your english teacher but it's the weekend and I don't want you to look a fool for whole day just because you don't understand one word)'"
And you can keep your pathetic little snide comments to yourself thanks. Read the thread before you make a fool out of yourself.
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