He was dreadful. He came over and i'm not even sure the player himself wanted to be here anyway. The player couldn't find a club in the NRL and came here on a one year deal as we desperately needed a hooker, he was stop gap. Goes home a couple of months early big deal, and probably paid up. Again, show me where Falloon is crying foul and i may accept your cries of disgust at his mistreatment.

I could answer all this with the exact post you just quoted. You think and post like a child.

One thing I will answer is, yes, when I saw the team play last year I did think the players were trying 100%. So more "effort" isn't going to magically fix anything.

Was he fit to play? Seem to recall him playing vs Saints and his back looked knackered. He then missed a few but he played in the final 3 games before Segeyaro was announced including starting 2 of them. Hardly dumped out of the first team picture.

Answer what? you have just resorted to insults which I think shows your childishness more than mine.

If the effort was there then the fitness clearly wasn't as we conceded soft tries all season.

Have you ever even played RL? Do you know how important the defensive structures are? Wigan won the GF because Wane spent most of the season solidifying his defence.
You can't ignore that Wire had a better defence in Round 1 than we managed all season.

Your changing on your point about club trained players being the only ones worth transfer fees there aren't you? And in a way we did pay a transfer fee for Segeyaro as we swapped Hardaker for him, which provided cover for a position for Penrith that they desperately needed (though his worth to us at that point was debatable)

Charnley and Manfredi vs Hall and Briscoe is pretty even and I would suggest that our centres are clearly better. The only player I would swap would be our right wing- Briscoe for Manfredi.

Look, GH is no Mother Teresa and having never met him may be a bit of a b*stard, but the big difference you seem to be ignoring, is that we did not break Falloons contract as he was (much like Eric B. and Rakim) paid in full.
Segeyaro on the other hand is trying to break contract, which shouldn't be accepted by Leeds or indeed the rfl.

Why don't they get Segs to pay Leeds what they would pay him if he honoured his contract - what they did with Falloon but in reverse. Why don't they just do that with all these scenarios - Sandow and Solomona too?

If there is so much more money in Union or Oz, I'm sure they could scrabble it together and it would be a measure of how 'homesick' they actually are...

Loving the '80s hip hop ref!

The point about 'investment in a player' is ridiculous - how often do you see PL footballers leave on a free transfer at the end of their contract, even though they've developed at a club? The payment relates to the loss the club will suffer in a period when contractually they should be able to expect a contribution.

If we get to January the 3rd with it still unresolved and Segeyaro sticks to his plan of staying in Australia surely we can fine him for not turning up to training? If so is there any limit to how much and how many times you could fine him if he continuously failed to show week upon week, month after month?

We shouldn't fine him but simply stop paying him since he's in breach of contract.
Or are you suggesting some punitive costs on top of what he should be paid?

The fitness was clearly the issue. Like DHM I didn't witness any lack of effort last season. What we did see was players exhausted after 20 mins. Now partly that's down to us not winning the play the ball and so putting ourselves on the back foot, but that again is primarily a fitness issue.

Correction. Wane spent most of pre-season solidifying his defence. Everything after that is just trying to keep the players fit enough to play with some minor tactical corrections/adaptations.

I refer you to the post I referred you to last time.

And yes, you post like a child. It's not an insult, it's an observation. The world isn't simple - defend better and we'll be okay - that's how a child sees things.
Everyone knew we needed to defend better, I've given McD some grief recently but I do have some respect for the guy, of course he knew we needed to improve things - defence at key points in the game was probably top of the list. But he couldn't fix it it and players who the year before won the treble couldn't work it out.
By the way, that was the point I was making.

And yes to the other question as well as playing RU for best part of 30 years and coaching for 6 years.

How is that childish? I don't think you understand sport, If you dot have the quality in the players you need to make sure you don't concede, ask Tony Pulis or Sam Allerdyce or Shaun Wane for that matter.

Yea everyone did know we needed to defend better, I would argue that a coach's job would be to sure up a defence, if not why even bother having a coach?

I have also played RU but as you may know, defending is very different in the two spots, being much more man on man in Union.

Last year we lacked any cohesion or structure and nobody trusted or understood their inside man, these are problems which can be fixed by work on the training ground (Are you gonna say we couldn't because or training ground was flooded?)
I think you are mixing up childishness with logic.

Defence is as much about desire and attitude as it is about structure especially in broken play - Wigan had a desire to defend their line Leeds didn't that's Wane's skill. He had as much if not more injury disruption as McDermott but he managed to get the right attitude out of the players. McDermott just looked out of depth in adversity and looked for excuses this attitude spread to the team on the field.

The team didn't concede because the structures were wrong it was because the attitude was wrong and that came from the top

I'd say the structures were clearly wrong, I think of all the games we won last year, only 1 was with Burrow starting as hooker. When your defensive structure is always changing because you have to hide a hooker who can't defend in the middle you're starting with one hand tied behind your back.

I also think fitness was clearly an issue last season. As well as an excuse culture which may have crept in

RL is a game of interconnected cycles. Vicious ones and virtuous ones.

Last year we struggled badly in a fair few ways. Early in the year we struggled to make yards, we dropped a lot of ball, our kicking games was appalling all year, our game management was poor all year.

When we dropped a lot of ball we had to defend more
When we struggled to make yards the opposition started their sets closer to our line and ours started further from theirs.
When our kicking game was poor we started defensive sets on the back foot, when we didn't make the right decisions we gave the opposition more chances and ourselves less.

This combined meant we conceded more points, had to chase more games, had to take more risks, so dropped more ball, made fewer yards, and under pressure made poor kicks and as we tired from all this extra defending in bad positions made more poor decisions.

The opposition meanwhile weren't doing that much defending, were being gifted ball in good positions and so were fresher and so they could make more yards, make better decisions all in better areas of the pitch.

If we can control the game better, make fewer mistakes, and with a better kicking and better game management, we will naturally see an improvement in our defending because we will be defending less, defending fresher, and defending in better areas of the field.

Eloquently put but where in Gods name are we going to find a stand off to provide us with the game management we need, that’s my main worry.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... ddaa147019 So Chris Sandow has promised to knock out Todd Carney in their boxing match on Friday and then said he'll call out Segeyaro to step into the ring afterwards and knock him out too.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... ddaa147019 So Chris Sandow has promised to knock out Todd Carney in their boxing match on Friday and then said he'll call out Segeyaro to step into the ring afterwards and knock him out too.

Unless he gets a better offer

I don't subscribe - is he just being a mouthy d1ck, or by calling Chicko out is he trying to prove he's king amongst contract-ditchers? Have to say I wouldn't fancy his chances against Solomona.

Who cares. Its a mark of how dire boxing is in Australia that literally the only time you hear about it is when fighters from other sports take part (Mundine, SBW etc).

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It is the right thing for the club to do - not sure what they hope to achieve?

Segeyaro will not have the money to either defend or pay a settlement - Leeds surely don't want a player who clearly doesn't want to be at the club?

I see the club are offering to re-work shirts that already have Segeyaro's name printed on them - so they are obviously not expecting him back anytime soon

He won't be back. Leeds do right making a stand though, this kind of thing needs nipping in the bud.

100% the right thing to do.

We clearly know he won't come back but we can't make it easy for him otherwise it sets a precedent for all future player contracts to just be drawn up in crayon and with monopoly money.

Other than stamping their feet I am unsure what it will achieve - I suppose if they get an out of court settlement from whoever wants to sign him then I suppose they have a small victory?