1. Do you know what a DOR does?

2. You know it was Sinfield who hired and who then sacked Furner, right?

3. Coaches at Leeds have been happy with Hetherington doing the recruitment and contracts role primarily because it takes it firmly off their desk but also because he has been so good at it - and because his judgement of a player and their value is well respected. But he's been trying to step away from it since at least 2017 when Sinfield was brought in to do exactly that.

Please not Danny Ward, not really done anything apart from one decent season with LB. We should imo be looking at Sebold now the 6 Nations has finished or one of the many assistant coaches from the NRL. Lot to pick from and hungry to make a name for themselves.

Just on recruitment, its generally been bad since 2015. If coaches since then have been happy to step back from that and let GH take the lead then he is to blame for it. I'd say its too simple - there's no way Tui and Hurrell weren't brought by Furner.

My view is no self-respecting coach would not want to have control of recruitment. If any coaches have thought different that explains in part why they've failed.

This was inevitable with a loss on Friday.

My issue is I simply dont trust the people making the decision on a replacement to get this decision right which tells me the issue isnt just the Head Coach position. This decision is a massive one for the future of the club. Massive.

Having watched the press conferences GH seems to be hinting at JJB quite a lot. I really hope Im reading too much into that.

You look at the coaching odds and there arent many there that fill me with excitement at all.

What a hole we are in. Cant believe it.

There is talent in that squad but no leadership, no discipline and no heart but it is a far better team than it has shown, far better. The head coach deserved criticism, the players deserve more and the CEO has to take his share too.

Three or 4 years ago the club appointed Sinfield, Furner and Agar to key roles and all 3 have now left the club.

Fair play to Agar for holding his hands up and admitting what he was doing wasnt good enough for Leeds RL maybe others should do the same and maybe some players should also accept their part in this. Half of them never seem to speak.

Its a sad day for the club but also an opportunity to review and improve. Lets hope we get this appointment right but as I say I dont trust the people making that call anymore.

As a Hull fan, but also a RL fan, wanting to see Saints challenged, I did voice my concern over your then coach. I don't think your season is over, by any means- if you appoint the right coach, that is still probably the third best squad in SL, so if he gets them all playing Leeds will easily make the play offs, but the insistence on "old boy" appointments needs to stop. Sinfield, for all he is a wonderful human being, just hasn't got the club going forwards so if Leeds clear out all of the deadwood , especially the coaches, get the right guy in place , with his own team, that is still a fearsome squad and could easily go on a big run of victories,

Maybe some of the players won't say anything because they're not happy campers?

I agree entirely that the next decision is huge. We've just seen what making the wrong decisions can do to a club - not getting rid of McDermott, Furner and Agar have cost us years of progress. Even worse is the continuing conveyor belt of ex-players into other roles. Not one has made a fist of it. Even Sinfield did OK in some areas but he made some bad signings plus appointed/helped appoint Furner then Agar. It was far too early for him in his managerial career to be making those decisions.

Lets hope Peter Smith is wrong when listing potential coaches Leeds might consider - the 5 he gives are JJB, Long, Ryan Carr, James Webster and a combo of Tony Smith/Danny McGuire. That's two coaches involved in the current shambles, one with recent Leeds connections, someone who has a CV similar in lack of quality to Agar, and Tony Smith. I'd really hope we're casting the net far wider than this.

I wonder why Shaun Edwards never appears on bookies lists. Granted he is probably being paid ten times what most super league clubs would pay but the man has pedigree and is a RL legend. I personally would like to see him back in our game.

Aside from the money, as big an issue as that is, he's built a good reputation for himself in Union. Very doubtful that he'd put himself in a position to jeopardise that. The Wigan on/off debacle won't have helped either.

Imagine if Brian Mac was offered a chance to come back... This messageboard would go into meltdown.

Edwards has no experience of coaching Rugby League for decades. It was a crazy appointment when Wigan tried it. It'd be even more insane for us now.

We need someone who has coached or assisted at the top level in the modern game.

100% agree listened to short interview with JJB on 5live this morning and he was indicating interested in job full time. All it will take is a slight upturn in results finish say 5th and nothing will change other than Agar might return in the DOR role. I really do believe that Hetherington is out of touch these days and we clearly need a new coach backed by his own team with a modern approach.JJB is a good guy but no coaching pedigree he was talking about hard work and pulling together which iwas his DNA as a player but tactical acumen and the abikity to mould a team developing every player is what we need from a coach. Blood sweat and tears should be a given for anybody who pulls on a Leeds shirt.So come on Gary don"t take the easy option take your time and make the right decision!

Bellamy - there's thought - no way he would toe the line to GH. Sadly it will never happen if it did it would be akin to when Graham Murray arrived - transformational

The only thing that will get us back on course is a quality coach.

Not a coach that is well liked or a coach the fans like because he used to play for us. Both are irrelevant, things like "knowing the club" etc are excuses you use to describe a coach that is underqualified. I actively want the coach to have no connection to our club and instead be hired due to his proven quality in coaching. Our club seems to have a really hard time distinguishing between former good players and good coaches. They are not the same.

Danny Ward is the favourite to get the job, apparently

I would imagine Shaun Edwards would be successful in whatever he does. His career to date shows that.

Ironically, Tony Smith and Brian McDerrmott have both coached at the top level for a number of years and both won silverware. However, reading the posts above, both would not be good enough for Leeds!???

If you look at the very successful clubs they have a culture that defines them - the coach has to fit into that culture. Saints want to play a certain way and the coach must embrace that. Maguire worked at Wigan he would have never worked at Saints. A top coach should be able to adapt his style to his surroundings if he really wants to get the best out of the opportunity

We need a clean break from coaches who have been at the club already in some capacity, all the more so if they are inexperienced or have had limited evidence of past success. Powell and Smith are the only 'options' that might prove to be astute exceptions, but the timing is clearly wrong for both of them - Powell is having limited impact at Wire and we'd probably need to wait to the end of the season for Smith.

McGuire, Ward and JJB would all constitute massive risks not unlike Sinfield coming after McDermott. It doesn't have to be an NRL assistant (certainly not any old assistant who happens to be available) but for me this line of recruitment would do most to signal that lessons of the past are finally being learned. Agar supposedly has good NRL contacts - let's hope he is making up for lost time in putting them to good use!

Danny Buderus

Yes I can see that

Seriously, are people really suggesting we should appoint someone who has no practical Rugby League experience for over two decades?? The game has changed massively since he was last involved and so have coaching methods. Being a successful ex Rugby League player in union is hardly a massive achievement given how backward that sport was when he first went there, and to some degree still is from a skills and fitness perspective.

Coming in at Leeds with Walker, JJB and Long as his brains trust - at least in the short term - would be a recipe for disaster.

Agree with the posts from Marty and Loiner at Large.

I listened to the press conference and for mine it was riddled with waffle.

GH kept talking about how strong our staff and squad is and how Leeds always look long term.
However,
Agar has resigned as Head Coach and is staying with us but no idea in what role.
GH said we are starting an extensive search for a new head coach and how demanding a role it is and you need special qualities and we are not in a rush and we are starting with a blank piece of paper. If true, we have done zero planning to replace Agar.
I hope Peter Smith is wrong about his top 5, who all have some former/current connection.
I suspect GH is hoping we have some upturn under JJB and he gets the gig full time. Nobody doubts his passion for the club but as defence coach, he has delivered a fairly soft looking defence.

I’m solidly in grumpy old man territory so players may respond to him differently but I’ve heard enough parables and his“ forged in the fierce fire of the crucible” shtick to last a lifetime just from his TV work.
I keep expecting an advert to run along the bottom of
My TV saying “donate now to the Bramley Church of Our Saviour, the Rev Jones-Buchanan and help save a dirty Leeds sinner” where a picture of a gap toothed Ryan Bailey appears or a picture of a guy who looks like OCD Stephen’s profile picture.

It may send me over the edge into Satan’s arms and I’ll go down Wheldon Road to listen to Radford.

May the Lord have mercy on my soul.

What has Agar got to offer in another role?

You do realise the novelty of wearing the Leeds coaching jacket from the Big Apple of Leeds to Kirkstall has never worn off dont you?

I desperately want the team to put together a string of wins and provide some decent entertainment, but if that gave GH an excuse to make JJB head coach!!!!! I fear I'd be joining Sir Greg in the league of the dammned. Surely GH knows he has to do better, far better. If not he may as well change Rhinos to Old Boys.

he can say do u wnt salt on your chips