And what out of touch former has been picks the mom shortlist on sky?!

Those three were ok but I reckon brilliant's pushing it. As a whole we continue to show zero instinct for how to control a game. Myler's kicking for touch into the 20 would be an ok tactic if we didn't concede 60+ metres in the ensuing set. Might as well stick a high one across the park and hope for the best otherwise.

Ferres has got to go
Moon has got to go
Walters has got to go
Briscoe has got to go
And that’s just to start with
Play some of the kids they could not be any worse

Reactionary nonsense

My thoughts:

Starting the game with no hooker is moronic. We only started to get any go forward when Parcell came on, by that point we were 11 points down.

Ferres has yet to have a good game for us. He’s a pale shadow of the player he once was.

We’re carrying too much dross in the pack. I’d look to offload at least Walters and Ferres and bring in some quality. We need Garbutt back urgently.

Myler had a very good game again and didn’t deserve to be on a losing side. His half back partner is very poor though.

Is Dwyer injured?

Perhaps, but those three were a million miles above their team mates, which highlighted to me how much better they were. Myler management can’t be blamed on how poor his team mates are. His stand off partner is terrible, with no idea at all how to manage a game. Kicking the high one is exactly why we struggle to contain.

Not blaming Myler at all, more alluding to him playing behind a beaten pack. Our defending at the ruck is woeful and Parcell's not blameless here for all his good play going forward. Far from the only culprit though.

Parcells defence was brilliant last night. Unlike the many missed tackles of the likes of Ablett, Handley, and Moon, who were not alone in the defensive stakes.

Not sure about Parcell being that good - I think his shortcomings are now being exposed as teams have worked him out - agree re. the rest just a really bad night.

Moon should never be playing 6 it simply doesn't work.

Looking at the stats now, they would beg to differ. Second top tackler behind the brilliant Ward, and only the one missed tackle unlike many of his team mates. His attacking play might not be quite last season, but his defence is not lacking.

It was his attack I was talking about - seems to has lost sharpness and accuracy perhaps the opposition aren't giving him the time they did last year

Leeds just look sluggish?

Thought Warrington played well and deserved their win over 80 mins last night. We don't play well at this time of year.

I thought Peteru went ok, got a couple of nice offloads away and ran strongly but agree Myler, Parcell and Ward were about best.

The game was lost in first half hour for me we had to do far too much defending which took it's toll late on.

As a team when we are behind and start moving the ball and playing with a little bit of urgency we look a far better team but it's a shame it takes us going behind for it to happen but then once we go in front we stop playing, start drilling ball 10 yards into touch and lose all the momentum we had.

Personally I've no issue with Moon at 6 he is a class player and it worked well last season he just doesn't look fit to me and hasn't all season.

Jack Walker got 40 mins in on Thursday for 19s so hopefully he will be up for selection at Widnes.

Our 1st up contact was poor for most of the game last night & brought back memories to the Andy Hay days of patter-cake defence.
The likes of Jjb Abbo & Moon have been excellent servents of our club but last exposed the former 2's age & battle weary miles whilst Moon try aside was missing again.
Ferres imo has been & still is a pointless signing whereas Mullally just isn't good enough.
The last 3 defeats may not have been "must win" bit what they have done is put a hell of a lot of pressure on us making the top 4 & also highlighted where we need strengthening.

You are right about the contact Mark from the get go it was very poor last night.

A lot of knee jerk reactions going on here , Warrington were the better side overall , Leeds however yet again found a way to stay in the game and in fact should have maybe seen it out , the turning point was the dubious penalty against JJB straight after the Ablett try , which gave Warrington hope . Leeds were so below par they managed to make Brown look international class last night .

Pretty abject stuff from us in the first 25 minutes, i thought Wire were decent but didn't have to be that special to get a handy lead.once we kicked it up either side of HT we looked easily the better team and built what looked and should have been a winning lead with 15 minutes to go. Then we switch off, make a mistake from the restart and Wire grasp the momentum back and we colapse, disappointing loss that one.

Plenty of knee jerking on here as usual and i do agree with bits of what has been said, in the main that we need Moon back at centre and another partner for Myler but who is there really at this stage of the season? So i guess we stick with it for the remainder of 2018.

We really have to start winning from here and getting the right side of these tight games.for as average/poor we have been in the the 3 close recent games against Wigan/Hull/Wire we could easily have won all three and be sitting pretty. I still believe we will come good but we can't let the top 4 get away from us before we do.

Was anyone suprised when jjb knocked on straight after the ablett try? It was the most predictable thing in the world and mirrors what we'v been doing every week. Play e, somehow manage to get ourselves a lead, then switch off and throw it away with stupid mistakes and a jobs done mindset. Mcdermott keeps bangin on about our effort and it might be there physically, but the mental applications rubbish at the minute. Then we get the usual, we'l learn from it and be better for it drivel, theyr the most experienced squad in the league, do they really need to re- learn these lessons afresh every season?

On a brighter note, thought myler was very good again, really pleased with him and liked the look of peteru.

No knee jerking at all imo.
All that's been pointed out is exactly what happened last night as-well as in previous defeats thus far.

Harsh facts,several players in our current squad are not good enough to compete at the highest levels in super league.

Injured his ankle again

The same has been posted on here every year for the last 10 years or more.

Not by me.

Read back a few pages mate, the usual reel off of x and x and x player not good enough have to go, too old etc... there is some of it i certainly agree with moving forward but we are mid season and we have the playing roster we have for now and by and large it is good enough to do well this year still.

Like i said, had we got the right side of the 3 very tight games people would be seeing it a little differently, we need to keep the faith from here the lads have shown they can dig deep and turn it around countless times in the past and been in deeper holes than this.

I thought Parcell had one of his best games for a while. He’d look even better if we had all of our first choice pack playing.

Is Dwyer injured?

To read this you'd think Leeds were the better team on the night! In fact, apart from the twenty minutes when you clawed your way back in front (playing some 'decent' rugby to quote someone) Wire bossed the entire thing.