Do I think child's get treated differently because of his sexuality...No

But I do think he is a rubbish ref. he hasn't got an agenda against any one team think he is fairly consistently bad for all sides.

Regarding the Hardaker incident people are refering to I don't condone what was said but I don't think the incident puts child in a very good light either. He either lied in his report after the game saying he heard it when he didn't or he is that incompetent that someone said that to him and he took no action on field at all not even a word with the player

How erudite - sadly beyond the comprehension of the individual at which it was directed.

Anyone who thinks Child was in the wrong at Warrington needs to serious look in the mirror and ask themselves some very serious questions.

Maybe he didn't hear - one thing is certain Hardaker said it - how anyone can defend what he said defies belief.

Not trying to defend what was said it was poor and not acceptable, but as I say he has either lied which is worrying or just incompetent

But it isn't is it. Across the whole of Super League, each and every week, fans of all clubs moan about the incompetence of Child. Not because of his sexuality, but because of his incompetence. It isn't a one club agenda, it is all. When the questions of best refs coming up on other boards, Child is alwYs bottom of the pile. Therefore he is far from one of our best.

The problem with Smokey TA reasoning is that everything is homophobic if opinions are made. The RFL dealt with Alibert for incompetence, and he wasn't as bad on such a consistent basis as Child. But he was dealt with for that reason. I have no idea of his sexuality, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out he is not homosexual.

You still fail to understand.

Its a good job you assume Alibert to be heterosexual because your argument would be f'cked if we don't make that assumption wouldn't it. Its convenient that your unproven, unevidenced assumption about something you admit you have 'no idea' about allows you to push your bigotry.

You still don't get it - whether Child is the worst referee in RL - which he isn't - Hardaker's outburst is beyond any kind of support. The fact you don't understand that suggests your judgement is questionable at best.

Stop digging you already have a hole you cannot get out of - keeping going is doing you no favours. I appreciate this is not the SS way but sometimes you have to admit you are wrong!!

Hahaha

Just because some people aren't afraid of broaching a subject that others are scared to talk about because it makes them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't make them homophobic.

I don't know for sure my opinion is correct but it's quite amusing that those on the other side of the debate say it's DEFINITELY NOT to do with that. How do you know?

That you can label people homophobic and bigots based on this one opinion on a referee without knowing anything else about the persons in question just shows you up to be uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency. I threw out a suggestion of whether his sexuality plays a part in him getting matches that his performances haven't merited. If people don't agree with that then fair enough , but I never threw insults at Child......yet you come along all hysterical and start throwing insults such as bigot and homophobe around at people who you don't agree with and who you don't know personally to make those sort of claims.

Again it doesn't matter whether he is the best or the worst referee - the insult was beyond the realms of acceptable behaviour. How else do describe somebody who thinks it is OK to call anyone what Hardaker called Child. Next it will be OK to call Watkins a N.....? Then you would be jumping out of your little box!!

Don't wear your 'bravery' in lobbing insidious and bigoted accusations as a badge of honour.



What kind of moron thinks that they are being brave by diminishing someones accomplishments by claiming it a product of their sexuality?

Your hypocrisy is outstanding, its like the worlds fattest man, not really something you would want to replicate, and you know its unhealthy and bad for the person but the sheer commitment to such wrongness is somewhat impressive.

Its laughable that you managed to type all that without they blatant hypocrisy slapping you in the face like a big wet fish. You want to call me uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency for accusing you of being homophobic without knowing anything else about the person in question, Yet you were proudly comfortable with suggesting that Child's achievements as a referee were a product of his sexuality without......guess what......knowing anything else about the person in question.

Its funny how many bigots think they are the ones under attack and needing to speak out. Its good that you do because invariably when you do speak out your ideas are shown to be nonsense and your prove yourself to not be all that smart.

i have no idea with regard to child if he is treated differently but I saw women fail the F,A, fitness test and still get promoted to a higher level as they wanted more women up there.
I did know an ex RL referee who said one ref consistently failed the fitness test but cummings still passed him as was a senior referee. he did always look a bit tubby to be a referee

Ermmmm, I've never mentioned the Hardaker incident so you completely wasted your time writing that post to me.

frankly I couldn't give a monkeys if he is gay. my beef is he's a bloody awful incompetent referee who isn't anywhere near good enough for top level RL. I would like to know who thinks he is good enough to get a game, let alone a top game, every week

I can't imagine that there are many things which would require positive discrimination for overweight white men. As one myself, my people seem pretty well represented.

the question isn't really whether he is good enough. Its whether he is amongst the best we have. And unfortunately he is.

So the term homophobe was generated by comments about which incident? grow up.

The fact he is gay or useless as a ref are irrelevant to justifying what Hardaker said. Thaler cannot ref all 6 games - is Child in the top 6 refs yea hence why he gets a game every week

Is that because the FA fitness test was set up under an inherent assumption that all referees are / would be male? Therefore because of their physical differences and subsequent challenges female referees would find it harder naturally as the test was not taking them into consideration?

Look at the men's and women's records for different running distances - that the women's are slower is not because they are any less fit than men, it is just they perform differently / to a different capacity.

Surely others have noticed Sals pathetic agenda on this thread? This is his new Sinfield for the next 10 years. So many holes in his argument, but just can't let the agenda hide.

Ahh bless trying to make out that I claimed to be "brave" when I clearly didn't so you can try have a go at me. I am however COMFORTABLE talking about the issue because I know I'm not homophobic and people instantly being labelled homophobic whenever they broach a subject that involves sexuality just demeans the whole issue of homophobia by people just throwing it out there as soon as possible without actually stopping to debate the issue.

You called me and Gotcha bigots and homophobic based on ONE single suggestion. Our suggestion comes from MANY years of Child failing to show he's good enough to take big SL games as agreed upon by MANY RL fans across the country. Their in lay the difference in the your "not knowing anything else about the person" hypocrisy rebuttal.

What the hell are you on about?

You've had a disagreement with Gotcha about the Hardaker incident and then foolishly had a pop at me about it without realising I've never mentioned it.

What you were saying early about not digging a bigger hole for yourself should apply to you here and just accept you tried to collar me for an incident I never mentioned.

And this is your problem, you have failed yet to come up with anything of foundation to warrant your constant blinkered accusations of bigotry.

What you fail to understand is that Child isn't incompetent because he is homo sexual. He is incompetent full stop, the worst, but yet it is ignored by the powers that be, despite it previously being dealt with on other refs. What are the reasons for that? Seems your only answer is what it definitely isn't despite knowing absolutely nothing to back that up.

Sal is just pushing an agenda, with unfortunately so many holes in it. It just makes him look a bit silly, ignore it.

Because the issue doesn't actually exist outside the heads of bigots and homophobes. You are free to broach issues of sexuality without being called a bigot and homophobe, but when you make bigoted and homophobic suggestions you will.

BTW, you shouldn't be comfortable suggesting what you suggested. Such insidious suggestions have oppressed people throughout history and have been used to demean and denigrate the achievements of gay people for years.


Yes, because that ONE single suggestion was homophobic. It is not homophobic to suggest Child isn't a good referee. It is homophobic to suggest Child has only achieved what he has because of his sexuality. It is you and Gotcha who made it about his sexuality. Only you two have linked his competency, position and sexuality 'without knowing anything else about the person'.

Excuse me but it hasn't been suggested anywhere that he has only achieved because of his sexuality, and you very well know that. So stop trying to move your argument.

It has been suggested that he is constantly putting in poor performances over a period of time, and this is not being dealt with. A reason suggested for this us his sexuality. You on the other hand offer no reason, only accusations, and demands that this isn't the reason.

To be quite honest if Child started turning in Thaler like performances, I would be happy with that. But he hasn't shown anything like that, and is constantly bad, not because he is homosexual, but because he is bad.