I will agree with Printer to an extent. I thought early in the game we were moving the ball much crisper than in recent weeks and our line was stood a little deeper which resulted in Watkins getting ball with a bit more space. That has surely got to be one of our goals every week, he looks capable of breaking the line almost every time when given the chance.
Part way through the 1st half though we did seem to lose our way and the attack looked disjointed.
Burrow was excellent especially considering how long he has been out. Sinfield and Mcguire both had their best games for a few weeks, perhaps no coincidence that Burrow was back. Thought Mcguire showed surprisingly good pace for his try.
Sutcliffe did ok at fullback apart from the late unforced error but to often he stifles the attack. I'm sure this will improve in time.
All in all not brilliant but a step in the right direction.

Hopefully Hall will be looking to improve his handling as well over next week. Not sure what was up with him there last night. Does he have an hand injury or something?

confidence. simple as that. first half leeds were nervy and that was why it was one man rugby.
after half time you could see bit by bit the confidence returning and the ball getting shifted quicker.
we do need more grunt in the forwards against cas though or it could be a long night

I thought our attack for that first hour stifled itself we had a couple of options at different stages and took the wrong one or buggered the final ball up every time.
Defensively much better but still getting driven back in contact with 3 defenders involved reared it's head at times and the markers whilst much better got caught again a few too many times for me.
I thought Delaney was good at prop but against bigger packs may struggle Burrow was MOM for me and I thought Ward got through plenty of graft but also got hammered when used for the flat ball at the line(not the player for that move imo).
Hopefully Briscoe will take confidence from last night he looked better especially 2nd half and during that last 20 minutes the backs let loose and scored some good tries.
As for Bentham and his TJ's shocking nights work but he will be back in SL next week as if nowt had happened.

Although I admit a RL ref's job is extremely difficult, some times they looked clueless. But in Benthams defense what exactly is the Touch Judge's job description are they told not to give decisions or are they totally inept at they're job

And I knew at the game that because we hadn't scored for so long that some on here would be slitting their wrists.

The HKR defence was good actually, something people never really consider....always the attack was rubbish. Some say we never looked like scoring? Well must've missed Ablett, McGuire, Hall and Moon all being held up inches short in that first half in the left corner.....I'm not convinced by that forward pass decision either for Briscoe's try.

Most are praising the performances by our three main pivots, Sinfield, Burrow and McGuire so something must've been an improvement as our pivots weren't getting praised last week. People asked for Watkins to get more ball and he did. You yourself even say above that we had a lot of possession and territory so must've have done something ok (note the word "ok" not "good" or "great"icon_wink.gif but as I've not tried to deny that it could've been better too.

Like I said I'm not saying the attack was great but it was an improvement from last week. I'm not comparing it to how our attack was 3 months ago wins vs Saints and Wigan (or where it should be for the end of year) but to where it's been the last few weeks (especially vs Wakey). Does it still need to improve, of course, the execution still needs to be crisper and sharper BUT from where we were at Wakefield it showed more promise of starting to turn things around.

Like I said before, you aren't going to enter a game on the back of the run we've had and find the attack running like a well oiled machine, there was still some duff moments in there but I'm realistic enough to know that'll happen as turning around form isn't like switching a light on.

That we started to score wasn't proof that HKR's defence was never that good and all that it took was to pass it around.....the Burrow try wasn't off a pass more so a tired defence that continued to get more and more tired.

Normally I would be calling the Printer and Gotcha a pair of sad sacks for thinking about an internet forum whilst at a game of sun soaked rugby.

However, what else was there to do for an hour last night.

A good and fair analysis I would say, we couldn't be faulted effort wise, but I think Chester was bang on in his post match view that we lacked a bit of "smarts" and coughed up possession in good possession too often, once the dam broke Leeds did what they usually do to us and really turned the knife.
Good luck for the rest of the season.

Hull KR had 33 missed tackles. Such a good defence. Cough cough.

How many were in the final 20 minutes?

Didn't Leeds have a lot of missed tackles when their defence was winning praise in the year?

Don't take this wrong, but have you ever played the game???

McGuire did seem to pick up a bit of pace that he's been lacking a bit. And Sinfield's kicking game was a lot better.
Sutcliffe seems to keep taking on the line and running in to traffic when we have a clear overlap. Did it against Huddersfield and did it in the first half when he could of just flicked it out to Watkins.

I thought our defense in the middle seemed to improve, but Hull KR didn't test it as much as other teams have. Also the team did well not to lose their cool after some decisions went against them.

A confidence builder for the team to work on and know they didn't dip when KR brought it back to 18-6.

Oh of course they only missed them in the last 20 mins when we scored. So your saying our attack can only score when the opposition fall apart and mis tackles? Not capable of creating otherwise?

Leeds got praise in their cover defence earlier in season. Nobody hid behind the missed tackles. Are you now saying Hull KR cover defence was great?

Let's be honest here, it just comes down to a two year olds logic. Leeds score their attack is great, the best. Leeds don't score the opposition defence is great, the best.

You want to continue with you view, that's all fine for me. I just prefer realism to naivety.

Nope, I asked how many were in the final 20 mins, it's obvious that the missed tackles number will have shot up during that period no matter how much you stomp your feet about it. It was also only 5 more missed tackles than Wigan when they beat us at Magic and were roundly praised on here.



Did I say this? Did I even remotely come close to saying this? Are you making stuff up in desperation?



So Leeds missed tackles but defence was still consider good when everything was taken into context, yet you've tried to point to HKR's missed tackle number as sole proof of bad defence.



Nope, I've never used the word great at all. What I have said is what I've posted......is there anything else you've struggled to read correctly and misinterpretated?



Oh yes more misreading on your part. Where have I labelled anything about last night in the great and best category? I remember writing it was an "improvement" and HKR defended "good" which you've desperately tried to exaggerate into me saying things were amazing.

Quite clear to anybody who read my posts properly I highlighted how the passing wasn't crisp and left too late and that we still need to improve moving forward. I've also been critical of the attack on many occasions this year (in both victory and defeat) but I've come up with something more educated than just a lazy "it was rubbish" or "this player was cr*p".

If anything that logic you claim can be spun 180.

If Leeds score, it's only because the opposition defence was rubbish,
If Leeds don't score then the opposition defence was still rubbish and it goes to show how rubbish Leeds attack is.

If Leeds don't concede many then the opposition attack was rubbish,
If Leeds do concede, then the opposition weren't really that good in attack, we were just rubbish in defence.

What's happened is that you've become so incensed that a poster simply wrote that the attack was an "improvement" on the last few games that you've gone all desperate and had to resort to claiming I said things were excellent and great........maybe the most relevant question here is.....why? Why are you truly that desperate to be negative that you misread any slight hint of positive appraisal about the club and exaggerate what the poster said?



That a no then?

Printer, there is no misreading. Read your own post. You have yet again made a defensive statement, without anything but your paranoid defensive opinion to back it up.

As I said it is a two year olds logic, and it happens every game. If we are poor offensive, the opposition have great defence. If we score loads, we have great offence.

Wouldn't be so bad if you actually broke it up from time to time. But same post week after week after week.

Anyway, I will just let your naive opinion ride, and respect your view.

Printer - you said HKR's defence was impressive? you seem to be backtracking big style now?

Yes I wrote "HKR put in an impressive defensive display for 60 mins".........maybe you want to explain that to Gotcha who seems to think I wrote HKR put in the best defensive performance ever witnessed from a team at Headingley.



Do I? How? Kept my view quite similar from the start that HKR's defence deserves credit for their showing.

Please show the backtrack? Am I now saying HKR were poor defensively? If not then I've not really backtracked have I.

Really? Could've thought I mostly asked questions, ones that you've clearly not been able to answer.

How many of those missed tackles you liked to highlight were in the final 20mins again.....seem to have missed your first answer???





I know you've said it twice now, still doesn't make it any more right. Don't recall anybody including myself praising the defensive efforts on here of Wakey and Catalans in the last 2 weeks and merely focusing on our lack of creativity on attack......in fact I wrote how lucky we were that Catalans came up with some shocking defence of their own in that game and for Ablett to score was criminal defence with 5 guys around him.



Really? Must've missed the last few weeks when I was one of those who called for an attacking coach to be brought in to freshen up the ideas in attack. Or when I've said Sutcliffe doesn't look like a HB to me, or when I've criticised Moon for the times he's not created enough space for his winger, or BJB not being good enough at FB, or just the other day saying Delaney shouldn't play 2nd row due to his passing in attack........pretty strange thing to do when allegedly according to yourself I think our attack is fantastic and is only denied by world class defence.....hmmmmm. Like I said, misreading indeed.

I'd say Rovers' defence was committed. In all honesty, they leaked too many tries for it to be classed as anything more. That's not to say there were no positives though - commitment in defence has been enough to beat us more than once this season.

i think we just wore them down in the end. we moved the big guys around and this is the reason most missed tackles were in the last 20 minutes

It was the most drunk ive ever been at a game.

i slept through the 04 challange cup final. newcastle brown at 5-30am!

That's some good going tad. Brown is awful though!

I thought that Lovegrove's injury was a major contributory factor to HKR's defence imploding in the last 20 minutes especially since it was such a warm night. It meant that they lost a forward interchange which was critical IMV.

thought they lost two forwards? thought at the time that might tell

Costigan appeared to go off injured but he came back not sure about any others. Green maybe.