That's the nail hit on the head. McGuire and Peacock you can excuse, they are recovering from very serious injuries that you just don't get over quickly, but with some of the others it's like they have been secretly replaced by counterfeit cr*p from Taiwan (apart from JJB who is obviously harder to make a fake replica of).

I didn't think Cats were devestating today, but they completely destroyed us at the tackle. They slowed us down to snail speed on our ball, and (mainly by moving forward on their knees of the mark) were able to get our markers out of position at will on their ball. We weren't smart enough to stop them.

The comedy officials just added to the frustration, but hardly made a difference to the result.

Oh, and the away kit is the icing on the cake. Having to watch them in that pink abomination finishes the job for me.

You need to get rid of Mcdermott & lowes quickly, The squad you have should be winning games, the coach is responsible for this its seems obvious to an outsider that the players have no direction and are playing off the cuff rugby at best. You will not get any decebt players to join your club unless you get rid of the coaching staff. It is a fact that good players nowadays sign for the coach in charge not the club

My Mum isn't a Rugby League expert by any stretch of the imagination but she pointed out that there was no runners and drive

if she can see only a fraction of what's wrong with our game can our coach?

What about replacing Brian McDermoot with your mum, she seems pretty clued up to me. Lets face it she couldn't do much worse.

She would put the fear into them alright

Keep him there. He's doing a great job

Brian McDermott is the backwards man, backwards man he can take a team backwards faster than you can.......

Too true. And sadly as a result, regardless of who is coaching them, our team and squad are not good enough for 2011 or probably 2012.

You'd be in with a shout of finishing in the top four if you had Madge. Your squad's not great, but its definitely underperforming at the moment.

Is anyone really surprised by Leeds abject performance today?

There's usually a huge comedown after peaking in your Cup Final the week before.

Is it time for a few chants of "Sack the coach"?

Terrible attitude around the club. Why oh why did we ever think a bloke who took a team backwards every season he was in charge would make an iota of impact at Leeds? I don't mind losing (I watched Leeds in the 80's) but the lack of any semblance of structure in this team that has lead us to success over the last few years is too much to bear.

Should have got rid of Senior, mcguire, burrows, buderus, jjb, webb, peacock etc and spent 2 years rebuilding, and you would have been competing with a young squad in 2013..... but you stuck with players over the hill based on past exploits... and now you're stuck with old players taking up the salary cap and a hopeless coach to boot.

The focus for blame appears to be directed at McDermott and Lowes.

However, the indiscipline was there for all to see last season as well.

It's a tired, over-the-hill squad at Leeds that's been in decline for several seasons. The amount of indiscipline they are exhibiting is a reaction from a squad of players who were used to winning silverware and having things their own way but no longer are. They all know this, but it's easier to whine, chelp, niggle, get penalised, blame the ref, blame anyone or anything but themselves. They are no longer fit for the purpose.

The time for sentiment is over.

Reason must prevail instead.

This squad is finished as a competitive entity and there should be no further contract renewals for any of them.

It's time to move on.

You could say soemthing similar about half your squad, except Lee Briers and co don't have a GF win between them so technically don't have any "past exploits" to be over the hill from (apart from Morley of course). JJB is as good as any second row in the competition still, McGuire was our player of the year last year and absolutely outstanding - would you replace your player of the year? Peacock, when fully recovered will be more effective than any front rower you have and Webb is more than a match for the pensioner you have at FB. Buderus is going, Senior is going and we have prelacements for both. So your point is?

I maintain my stance on this since the season began.

McDermott and Lowes out.

Brian Carney had a couple of good shouts in the commentary. First his belief like many on here that there is too much talent in the squad for displays like tonights to be acceptable.

Second, that the ten minute spell when Leeds got fired up and launched a sniff of a comeback was done without any semblance of structure or organisation, they just played on natural instinct and emotion. That says it all for me, the only decent spell of a game when they were ignoring everything about how they had set out to play.

Totally agree mate, if we played like we did last week and lost again then fair enough, but to put in a showing like tonight just isn't good enough

we put in a good performance against FC earlier in the season and backed that up with poor performances against quins and warrington. Then we put in a good performance against salford and back that up with a poor performance against saints. We Then put in a good performance against wigan, then back that up with shocking performances against KR, and hudders. Its been the story of our season, theres no consisitantsy at all

JJB, Buderus and Peacock have been our better players.
Burrow yes offers nothing. Senior was our best centre until his injury and McGuire and Webb are the only 2 who might unlock a defence,
Kirke, Ali, Bailey, Smith, Hauraki and maybe Kylie yes.
We need to stop playing Sinfield at SO and Ablett at Centre.
We should have enough strength in depth but we haven`t.
There`s no structure to the plays and we have no kicking game no half backs who dominate and we must be the worst team for defending the high ball.
Next year could be worse with what we have retained so far.

Perfect example of what is wrong with your club, can't see past the medals..... Peacock wouldn't get in the Wire 17, his finished.... you keep telling yourself you have great players its just the coaches fault, hope your owner has the same opinion, nice seeing leeds in 8th.

The Famous Leeds rugby went to Rome to see the Pope, We have changed this song from Wigan as you have now taken the mantle of the Team Living in the past. Your comments about JJB, Peacock , McGuire and certainly Webb are not comments which anyone with any knowledge of rugby would make

The salary cap excludes the coach!!

I didn't say it did.

I don't know what 'Rhinos' fans were really expecting,you were never going to be competing with the big clubs like Wire this season. A season of transition was always ahead.

If you actually get behind your coach and side for a change instead of moaning and you might even see some results.

You can't boo players - it hurts their feelings!!

Like you lot got behind Cullen and then Lowes you mean