Like this thread!!

Been some great players in Super League!!

I'd go with:

Radlinski - Lacked Wellens' footwork, but vastly superior in defence.

Carney - Was freakishly strong, with great footwork and turn of pace.
Lyon - Even the most anti-saints of us can't argue about how good he was.
Senior - Pains me to say it, but he's been consistantly better than nearly anyother centre for over a decade.
Can't decide between the pace of Albert or the power of Vainikolo.

In the halfbacks, I thought about McGuire, but I don't feel him and Long gel particularly well. In my opinion, You can't leave Long out, and he needs an organiser so:

Barrett - he was a class above, just a shame Wigan didn't have a pack to match.
Long - Say no more.

O'Connor - Never missed a tackle, always made yards and went toe-to-toe with Gordon Talas. Plus, he started at Salford.
Cunningham - Simply, Nailed On!!
Mozza - Smash the opposition up early.
Joynt/Ellis - Struggling to decide.
Farrell - The best player of his generation.
Scullthorpe - Second only to Farrell

Bench:

Barrie McDermott - Can't get over how he's been ignored by the Leeds fans.
Peacock - Has taken it to everyone for more than a few years.
Kevin Sinfield - Great player, and very versatile. Unfortunately for Sini, Scully and Faz were superior.
Joynt/Ellis.

Obviously, I've missed out Graham, but, no matter how many minutes Graham plays I just feel the other props add more impact. Also, missed out Fielden and can't work out how to fit him in.

You obviously see it differently, but if I'm picking a hypothetical dream team then I'm not particularly concerned who will gel with who, given that they'll never take to the field together, more the individual merits of each player. So I'd have to say McGuire personally, for his contribution to SL over the last 7-8 years, rather than the 2 decent seasons we got from Barrett.

I really liked Barrie Mac, but please . . . . .

Mine would be

Wellens
Richards
Hape
Senior
Vainikolo

McGuire
Long

Peacock
Cunningham
Morley
Ellis
Farrell
Sinfield

Pryce
Graham
Fielden
Sculthorpe

Contentous points would be Wellens over Radlinksi, I think that although Radlinski at his peak was better, the length of time Wellens has been playing at such a consistently high level wins it for me. Radlinski could hardly get off the treatment table for about 2 years before he retired.

Hape over Lyon, again tough as they were both top centres, but Hape again wins it for doing it for longer for Bulls, than the 2 years Lyon did it for

Radlinksi
Les
Hape
Senior
Carney
Mcguire
Long

Peacock
Cunningham
Farrell
Ellis
Sculthorpe
Sinfield

Roby
Graham
Morley
Lauitiiiti

There's been a lot of quality props in super league over the last ten years:

Fielden
Coley, slight bias there
Craig Smith
Was it Dave Fairleigh?
Paul Anderson
Joe Vangana
Feka, although his game time is very limited

Macca had slightly better footwork, was more explosive and took it to Aussies a bit more. That is just my opinion!!

I'd go wth ...

Radlinksi
Albert - Les
Lyon - Hape
Senior
Carney

Long
Lam

Farrell
Cunningham
Fielden
Sculthorpe
Peacock
Sinfield

Pryce
Graham
Morley
Furner

I both like and dislike threads like this.

Dislike because so many people take it as an opportunity to show their 'knowledge' rather just picking the best players.

Case in point, David Furner. Now then, Furner was a good player - played what a season each for Wigan and Leeds, possibly two for Wigan. There is not a chance in the world that Furner should be in any team before Farrell, Sculthorpe, Sinfield and possibly some others. Even at his peak playing in Australia he was not a better option that those three.

It's just a case of lets chuck Furner in as he was revered on these boards and it will earn me some points.

I like them, because it gets good debate going.

My team,

Withers
Richards
Gleeson
Senior
Vainikolo
McGuire
Long
Fielden
Cunningham
Peacock
Ellis
Farrell
Sinfield

Sculthorpe
Wellens
Lowes
Pryce

Furner played 4 seasons in SL in this decade, the same amount as Lowes and only 1 less than Richards and Farrell who you've included in your team.

Furner was a class act, and areal bit of bad business by Wigan letting him go.(Oh and a good bit of business by Leeds signing him)

I remember talking to Frank Endacott at a reserve team game and he said "We (Wigan) have just signed the hardest forward in Rugby League, no-one will mess with him"

When I asked him to whom he referred, he said "David Furner"

Was not sure how many seasons he played - However, if he was one of the 13 most influential players in the last 10 years i am Ellery Hanley.

As for Lowes - even though he played 2000-2003 he was far more a key cog in the Bulls wheel than Furner was in the leeds team or wiganm for that matter.

I accept he was hard, and helped other players but in the best 13 in SL give over. I dont care what Endeacott said - what did he ever achieve in SL

Enough said.

Yet you have Withers at fullback?

1) Wellens

2) Carney
3) Lyons
4) Senior
5) Big Les

6) Maguire
7) Deacon



Fielden
9) Cunningham
10) Peacock
11) Farrell
12) Scullthorpe
13) Sinfield

14) Morley
15) Graham
16) Happe
17) Long

That is my opinion. I believe withers was a very underated player. He had a few great seasons at the bulls. My choice over Wellens. I think Radlinski's best work was done in the 90's

back to my original point, whilst people are entitled to their opinions also, i just think that sticking furner in is bowing to the masses on here.

Its a bit like agreeing Matt Adamson was rubbish or Marc Glanville was the best overseas signing in the history of rugby league - do you see my point?

No

A Grand Final win and a Challenge Cup win, better than a lot of players including Richards & Farrell in the decade and only slightly less than Lowes. All of whom you've included in your best team of the decade.


How would you know? You didn't know how many seasons Furner had played, what he'd achieved and don't care what a former coach of Furner has said about him.

I'd probably agree that I don't think Furner was one of the top 17 in SL over the decade but since you know sod all about him I don't know how you've come to that opinion.

Funniest post ever. You rip my post to pieces claiming I know nothing, meanwhile you state Frank Endeacott won a grand final and a challenge cup, when in fact he won neither!

Check your facts mate.

Now I'm no TVOC so I make my judgements on what I see and what I remember. My thoughts on Furner were from my memory and you have also agreed with them so why you feel the need to post all your incorrect garbage the lord only knows.

read it again it's quite easy to understand. You might not agree with it but you must certainly understand it

You could (if you want) read your 'what did he ever achieve' statement both ways. I know I did.

I assume therefore you and BigRob are at cross purposes here. While you are speaking of happy Frank's empty trophy haul in SL, Rob appears to be talking of Furner's return.

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Ultimately arguing over subjective selections is interesting but usually inconclusive.

I fail to see how it's the "funniest post ever" you obviously lead a very sheltered life and have never read one of Damo's lists.


True I did rip your post to pieces. Because it was bollox.


Did I? Where?


As tvoc pointed out, I obviously mistook part of your post, apologies. Frank Endacott did however win a minor premiership, still more of an achievement than 10 of the current SL head coaches, yet you are happy to completely ignore what he says. Very strange.


Amazing! You are fully up to date with Frank Endacott's record yet not a player you were happily taking the p1ss out of people for including in their squads? Interesting.


I don't keep facts and figures either, I have no need to (there is no need when tvoc's around!) however spend 5 mins on Google and a lot of these facts can be discovered with little effort. As we've found it wasn't incorrect, I simply misunderstood your post.
I felt the need to post something as you were the one talking garbage. You were implying Furner had done little and achieved little in SL. I simply pointed out what Furner had won, how long he'd been in SL whilst pointing out it wasn't vastly different from those you included in your squad. I agreed with your assertion that Furner wasn't one of the top 17 players in SL in the timeframe, but not with your inference that Furner was a ridiculous choice put in only to show off.
I was also struck by the fact you seemed to happy to completely discount the opinion of a former head coach of Furner, that seemed either strange or arrogant to me. But maybe that's just me.

its a pity brent webb has had a few injuries in the last couple of seasons as he might have been in with a shout at full back

Rob, apology accepted. I see now how you could have misunderstood my post.

That said i fail to see how just because just from memory (without me googling) i could not remember how may seasons furner had played in the UK makes the fabric of my origibal comment bollox.

I guarantee you 50% of posts on hear are to 'fit in' with the crowd. now I can't say with any real accuracy whether you are one of those posters, but others are and you probably know it.

Furners achievements really mean nothing when judging his impact on SL. Take Ian kirke for instance 3 GF wins but not a chance of ever appearing in anyone's team of the decade.

We all know Furner was a good player but I honestly cant agree that he was more influential to Wigan and Leeds as Lowes and Withers were to the Bulls sucesses. That does not mean you are wrong or I am right it's just my opinion.