Spot on.

McGuire is one of the better players in the world of rugby league FFS. At Club level he’s no doubt the best six in the world as no one in the last three years in his position as co0em close to winning as much as he’s done. International level he’s not done too bad either.

I’m as ed off about yesterdays game as anyone on here and even the fight back after half time didn’t help cushion the defeat. However I do believe that within this squad we’ll win something in the next five years.

no just on my own board and the saints board who are using mags poor game as some way to ease their gf pain!

and you sweet cheeks are the biggest Loser of the lot! I've lost count of how many times since the gf that your bitterness has been displayed for all to see!

I am speaking as an England supporter. Are you not able to do that? That's sad for you. However, I went yesterday as an England supporter and I'm now thinking as an England supporter (with a bit of vicarious pleasure obtained from having a Leeds player vilified this time around instead of a Saints player; too tempting to resist).

McGuire is not good for the England team. Everyone else will do fine so long as they play to their potential (which one or two were not doing even in the second half). But we need to replace McGuire as he was simply terrible.

what on the basis of one bad game???

hope you dont apply that logic to the Stains side or you might never see half of them again

I went to the world cup! I love England! I find it ironic you question my support for the national side when you admit in your post you are reveling in an England players poor performance because its not a saint? you are one big contradiction!

And your "we need to replace mcguire" comment is a joke! all players have poor games! and if they got dropped for having a bad en then England would have about 2 players lining up aganst the kiwis! One of which would be sinfield who you have repeatedly slagged off as an England player!

you are a joke

Love it when people say that. 'Fact is', then complete drivel based on their own personal opinion. Show me some facts that prove that Tomkins is 3 times the player McGuire is.

Two. He was poor against France as well.

He has three times everything that McGuire has. Eh, except I can't think of anything specifically to back that up.

bitter

You didn't read my post, honeybunch. I said I was obtaining vicarious pleasure from the fact that it is a Leeds player this year who is getting vilified rather than a Saints player, as it was last year in the person of Wello. Remember? I'm sure you do.

So forgive my little indulgence. It's one I cannot resist. However, that does not detract from the obvious truth that Mcguire was naff yesterday. Some of your fellow fans can accept this truth; others alas have issues.

Now, I have been consistent in saying that Sinfield was good in the second half and Lee Smith improved when he was played at wing (which is where he should play against the Kiwis, so long as he remembers that he needs to defend the spot as well as score tries). Peacock wasn't so hot but he was playing out of position and so IMO can be given some leeway as a result. Hopefully he'll find some of his usual international form for the Kiwi game. I would imagine Smith will swap him back for that match given his size and aggression (both of which we need against the Kiwis).

I believe I have also said on here elsewhere that Roby was poor at nine and he improved when moved, so like I said: I am talking as an England supporter, not a Saints supporter. The season is over and done with. I'm all immersed in the international stuff at present.

Pity Lebanon didn't beat so-called Scotland. At least Lebanon do actually play rugby league.

you do protest too much me thinks!

The truth is mcguire had a poor game by his own standards! But he also did some good stuff! I agree roby was poor and I think his dummy half distribution is shocking and his passing against the french was poor too which I have posted but I don't feel the need to vilify him!

I understand why people are doing it with mcguire I just think it's weak that they arnt man enough to admit to their sad motivation

no not on the basis of a bad game on the basis of mcguire cant create hes a top support player, we dont make breaks so why have himin the team.

oh dear oh dear! You obviously don't see enough of him play or maybe at all?

im not saying he dosent try but the proof is in the pudding, he dosent take the line on and runs across but hes a great support player. are we making breaks, no ,so why have him in.

yes the proof is in the pudding mcguire was the stand off with the most try assists in sl(including play offs)

I have facts and you have a point of view! Which seems a very ill informed one

try reading his stats......



Danny McGuire

Leeds

Position 6
Shirt number 6
Appearances 25
Tries 10
Try assists 15
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 2090
Carries 361
Tackles 369
Offloads 29
Attacking Kicks 101
Runs from dummy half 30
Tackle Busts 55
Marker tackles 46
Clean Breaks 21
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 150
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 40
Errors 32
Penalties 11
Red cards 0
Yellow cards

On reflection I'd like to see Mcguire organise his forwards building pressure with plus ones and simple ruck plays, he looked on sat to cut forwards out and drift to try find try scoring passes instead of running holding lines and working with option runners. Looking at it I'd be suprised if TS focused much on exit sets and attack structure

was he realy gosh. well tell him to do it at the top level then

Well if he had players in motion running good lines around him putting the defence in 2 minds he might beable to! instead of the poor excuse for a structure that I saw on Saturday! most of them were like rabbits in the headlights

It appears by his 4 Super League winners rings he has done !

I think Pryce has more than that but that doesn't mean he can perform internationally!

You lot make me laugh, you really do. Criticism of just ONE of your players and you're like angry little ants scurrying about - some of you all over the boards - defending your internationally hopeless player.

Mcguire is no good at international level, regardless of how well he responds within the Leeds club environment. It's no big deal. Just accept it. Move on. Think of England.

Losers rings done count

Mmm. He played with Bradford too though.