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| Quote ="G1"I wasn't impressed with his speed when that young whippersnapper Sinfield rounded him at Hull.
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That was rugby nous not a foot race unless you think Sinfield is actually faster than Broughton?
I prefer to acknowledge his performance at Belle Vue and in the Headingley 9's for examples of his pace.
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| Quote ="tvoc"That was rugby nous not a foot race unless you think Sinfield is actually faster than Broughton?
I prefer to acknowledge his performance at Belle Vue and in the Headingley 9's for examples of his pace.'" I've no idea which is faster. I do know I saw Sinfield outpace him to the corner with relative ease.
I can see why you'd rather not acknowledge his performance against us. Wasn't that the one when he tackled himself and fell over with the line at his mercy?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If they aren't kicking down the door demanding selection with their ability by the time they get to 22-23 then it's not going to happen.'"
But he could easily be ready for SL, it's just that Brent Webb is blocking his way.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I think backs and forwards differ in this respect. With a back IMO it's easier to tell at an early age whether they are going to have what it takes to cut the mustard at a top club. If they aren't kicking down the door demanding selection with their ability by the time they get to 22-23 then it's not going to happen.
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That's my take as well.
To be fair, I think this is what the cap was brought in for. If he has got talent but he's behind a world class Webb for the 1 shirt and not in the running for a wing spot then he should be out playing SL for another club in some shape or form. It's got to be good for the game.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"But he could easily be ready for SL, it's just that Brent Webb is blocking his way.'"
In which case other clubs are going to be sniffing around him for a more permanent move, and the lad himself is probably going to want to be on his way by that point rather than sit in the reserves - much like Danny Allan was.
Certainly if Webb gets his contract renewed I'd be surprised to see BJB stick around.
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| Quote ="G1"I've no idea which is faster. I do know I saw Sinfield outpace him to the corner with relative ease.
I can see why you'd rather not acknowledge his performance against us. Wasn't that the one when he tackled himself and fell over with the line at his mercy?'"
I saw Sinfield use men in support of his run and a change of direction to beat Broughton to the corner
From what I've seen of both I know which one I think is faster in a foot race and it isn't the Leeds captain.
So are we to take it you don't rate Jodie Broughton?
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| When Webbs contracts up,Lee Smith should be ready to return from yawnion!!
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"When Webbs contracts up,Lee Smith should be ready to return from yawnion!!'"
IIRC another 2 yrs mate!!
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| Quote ="tvoc"
So are we to take it you don't rate Jodie Broughton?'" You'd be wrong. I've stated on this very thread that I hope he's a first choice winger at Leeds by 2011.
He's shown nothing so far to suggest he merits a wing spot ahead of Hall or Donald.
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| Quote ="G1"
I can see why you'd rather not acknowledge his performance against us. Wasn't that the one when he tackled himself and fell over with the line at his mercy?'"
If Stains hadn't made so many late attempts to win the award, that would have scooped 'Funniest Moment Of The Season' by a mile.
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| its a good break for him he might get a better contract with first time
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| Quote ="joe the poe"its a good break for him he might get a better contract with first time'"
He's still got 2/3yrs left on his current one!!
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| Quote ="G1"You'd be wrong.'"
It was a question rather than a statement.
Quote ="G1"He's shown nothing so far to suggest he merits a wing spot ahead of Hall or Donald.'"
Difficult for him to show when his first grade opportunities at Leeds are so limited.
Perhaps had Leeds not busted the import quota for 2010 by re-signing Donald we'd have seen. As it is will Leeds now lose Broughton and if they do.... for what?
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| Quote ="tvoc"It was a question rather than a statement.
'" Then you'd be wrong to question me
Quote Difficult for him to show when his first grade opportunities at Leeds are so limited.
'" He's had plenty of opportunities to show what he's got at 1st grade level on loan with Hull and when their 1st choice wingers were fit (and their first choice wingers aren't as good as ours) he was dropped.
Quote Perhaps had Leeds not busted the import quota for 2010 by re-signing Donald we'd have seen. As it is will Leeds now lose Broughton and if they do.... for what?'" Leeds haven't busted any quota. They've abiding by the RFL regulations in order to obtain the best possible players they can in their quest to win everything. You know, like you were complaining they weren't doing this year.
If we lose Broughton its' because he wasn't good enough to dislodge the incumbents or patient enough to wait his opportunity wit us. I can live with that. We've lost better players.
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| Quote ="G1"Leeds haven't busted any quota. They've abiding by the RFL regulations in order to obtain the best possible players they can in their quest to win everything. You know, like you were complaining they weren't doing this year.'"
While I expect Leeds to give 100% in all aspects of running the club to be as successful as it can be, I stop well short of wishing them to exercise loopholes left by the RFL.
Leeds have managed to get by without breaking the spirit of the quotas set in the past and still remain competitive despite doing so.
I enjoy it when people throw the 'cheat' jibe at other clubs because it's something that can't be thrown back at Leeds. Those jibes will be lessoned for me in 2010 with Leeds operating at seven overseas trained where the limit is set at six.
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| Quote ="tvoc"While I expect Leeds to give 100% in all aspects of running the club to be as successful as it can be, I stop well short of wishing them to exercise loopholes left by the RFL.
Leeds have managed to get by without breaking the spirit of the quotas set in the past and still remain competitive despite doing so.
I enjoy it when people throw the 'cheat' jibe at other clubs because it's something that can't be thrown back at Leeds. Those jibes will be lessoned for me in 2010 with Leeds operating at seven overseas trained where the limit is set at six.'"
Have we broke ANY rules?????????
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Have we broke ANY rules?????????'"
Not officially, but as tvoc says we have broken the 'spirit' of the rules by having more overseas players than we should, but have just used loopholes to get round it.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Not officially, but as tvoc says we have broken the 'spirit' of the rules by having more overseas players than we should, but have just used loopholes to get round it.'"
I think we have enough "spirit" in the bank due to our youth development!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I think we have enough "spirit" in the bank due to our youth development!
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Oh absolutely, its slightly disappointing that we have to rely on foreign imports but Im not that worked up about it, we're no way near as bad as other "big" clubs.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Have we broke ANY rules?????????'"
Leeds probably only have three players counting on the overseas trained quota at present (Buderus, Eastwood and Delaney) allowing them to bring in a further three and still not break the RFL's limit of six.
The type of situation Leeds fans will have mocked a Bradford or a Wigan or a Wakefield over in the past.
Leeds should have remained above using such tactics.
Any future success will now be tarnished as a result.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Oh absolutely, its slightly disappointing that we have to rely on foreign imports but Im not that worked up about it, we're no way near as bad as other "big" clubs.'"
I agree but i don't have any problem with it as it stands either tbh!
GH and the Coaching staff have seen this as the best way to go this year so i'm happy to back their judgement!
FWIW I'd be surprised if donald and buderus stay beyond this year anyway so that's 2 overseas stars off the quota!
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| Quote ="tvoc"Leeds probably only have three players counting on the overseas trained quota at present (Buderus, Eastwood and Delaney) allowing them to bring in a further three and still not break the RFL's limit of six.
The type of situation Leeds fans will have mocked a Bradford or a Wigan or a Wakefield over in the past.
Leeds should have remained above using such tactics.
Any future success will now be tarnished as a result.'"
C'mon yer not serious???????
The difference with our situation imo is that English and acadamy grown players have been offered deals to stay and a chance to prove themselves whereas at "other" clubs their homegrown lot were as good as ditched!
Plus we have situations crop up ala Danny Allan where the players in front of them sre just too good for them to get in the team.
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C'mon yer not serious???????'"
Perfectly serious. There is a quota set by the RFL (it's set for a reason) which Leeds have never broken in the past despite the availability of loopholes.
Quote ="rhinoms"The difference with our situation imo is that English and acadamy grown players have been offered deals to stay and a chance to prove themselves whereas at "other" clubs their homegrown lot were as good as ditched!'"
There is no difference when clubs are exceeding the quotas laid down by the RFL.
Quote ="rhinoms"Plus we have situations crop up ala Danny Allan where the players in front of them sre just too good for them to get in the team.'"
Which isn't helped by overfilling on quota players.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Perfectly serious. There is a quota set by the RFL (it's set for a reason) which Leeds have never broken in the past despite the availability of loopholes.'"
And that quota is six non federation trained players, with the exception of those players already in the UK at the time the rule was brought in.
So at the moment, Leeds are only exercising the right to take up half of their quota. That's not "exploiting a loophole", it's abiding by the same rules - as set down by the RFL - as everyone else in the competition.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"And that quota is six non federation trained players, with the exception of those players already in the UK at the time the rule was brought in.
So at the moment, Leeds are only exercising the right to take up half of their quota. That's not "exploiting a loophole", it's abiding by the same rules - as set down by the RFL - as everyone else in the competition.'" The original rules didn't have the exception. That was brought in when players threatened to challenge the rules in the courts IIRC. It's a mute point, IMO, whether that is a loophole.
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