Excellent follow up piece in the YEP online tonight where it confidently states that:

[i'Leeds' veteran centre Keith Senior is also set to announce he is to play on in 2010.'[/i

That's a relief then.

He's not been world class, but he's not been bad either, certainly not deserving of some of the bile he get's on here.

Has Diskin? Not defending Buderus, he has been under par, came injured, then got another nasty injury, like I said i've seen better hookers in blue & amber win jack, better competition, worse team mates etc, Diskins come along in a golden era.
Buderus has not performed to his best, I also think he's a bit quick for some of those around him. Wonder if Diskin would be at his best between having a torn bicep & a broken leg in the space of a year?

Just out of interest, whom amongst our previous hookers, do you rate higher than Diskin?

I assume that you will not cite David Ward because, he was, well, relatively successful. Which leaves, from memory, Maskill, Gunn, Lowes, Newton, Marcus Vas and Jackson (there are probably others but, for this exercise, probably not worth considering). Having thought about it, two of those were as good as Diskin and both of them had their better days at other clubs. One of them certainly had more flair going forward but, I would argue, not as effective in defense. Out of the others, only one had an equal ability but, chose an active social life in Cas Vegas in preference to professional success.

On topic, I thought Buderus showed on Sunday that his distrubution skills are superior to Diskin's. However, I am far from convinced that he provides a vastly better option overall. Therefore, based on stability, I would say Diskin and McShane provide the better option.

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What's Smith and Donald got to do with it?

What happened to the clamour of posters saying that Watkins should have the centre spot next season? An injury now and the same lot have written him off have they?

I don't give a 5h1te how good Senior has been for this club previously, he is 35 years old next season and far too old for this game. He's been poor so far this season, and had just the one game. What will happen next?

You have to wonder what the response would have been on hearing that yesterday had Senior put in a performance on Sunday like his previous games this season. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out the response would be completely different. We have very fickle fans, and more so from the ones usually accusing others of it.

If Senior produces Sunday's performance for the rest of this season then the club decided to offer a contract at the end of the season. I can sort of start to understand that. But offering now is shortsighted.

This club had an opportunity for the end of this season to move on a gear and change some positions that require new blood. Looks like it will be same old, and we will just got the excuse of "if only we had the benefit of hindsight".

You answered it mate, Lowes & Jackson, Maskill had the ability, all in inferior sides or against better opposition, well Wigan at the time. The Leeds pack Diskin follows around have been far domminent than who the others played with, like I said right place right time. I like Diskin, does a good job no fuss, Leeds did not need Buderus but he's here so use him properly.

Come on Gotcha, you know opinions on here are only based on the last 24 hours. Was thinking the Watkins one myself, it appears the 24 year old with 100 NRL games who's only played half a dozen games due to injury is the Centre Leeds should ditch.

=#0000FFAgreed. If we have the kids ready to come through in those positions, e.g. McShane. Not if the kids are not ready.

With the greatest of respect you appear to have completely blanked from your memory that in 2004 Diskin was the player of the year and won the Harry Sunderland Trophy. To suggest he's simply been carried along by a great team in these 4 championship seasons is either highly disingenuous or completely stupid.

He's been an integral part of the golden era, unlike Buderus, and not just carried along with it.

I repeat, Buderus takes up a quota spot for a position where we are blessed with adequate cover. The jury isn't out on Diskin. We know the team can be successful with him at hooker. The jury is still out on Watkins as a left centre. Therefore, if Senior finishes this season like he did last and repeats Sunday's form, I can see the sense in retaining him.

Have not blanked anything from memory, terry newton would have been integral had Leeds kept him, I rate Diskin & have always said Buderus was not needed, but is here so use him, I know you like to disagree & oppose everyone in your path, but don't come on here calling me stupid.

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - best seen in this thread.

I didn't call you stupid. I said you were either being disingenuous or stupid. I'll draw my own conclusions from your reaction.

Diskin played in what many people on here say was Leeds greatest team of the current era. He stood out in that team. He was player of the year in that team.

As you say, Terry Newton played in some poor teams (actually, he didn't, he went to a Cup Final and a Grand Final with us) yet I don't recall him being player of the year. Newton has played in many, many grand finals. How many Harry Sunderlands has he won?

Im actually agreeing with most of what your saying G1, I think Diskin should have more caps to show for his ability, and I would not have a problem if he was the only hooker at Leeds, Jackson was Hooker in 99 newton was coming through and is not one In perticular I rate higher than Diskin, who knows what he would have atchieved had he stayed? History is history and Diskin is part of Leeds'. But calling me stupid for forgeting Diskin won the Sunderland Trophy (which i didn't forget & thought along with player of the year was deserved) i also did not forget this was around the time Buderus was in his pomp at a far superior level, but we are told to forget the past arn't we.

Ok, I will retract and apologise for the stupid remark.

I do think you were being disingenuous though because you seemed to be implying Diskin has been along for the ride in a great team when he's been a key part of it and shone brighter than anyone else in the 2004 team.

Clearly Buderus has been a better player than Diskin in their careers. But it seems to me the team react better to Diskin and can read his play better. Nor do I think that Buderus has shown enough of that greatness with us. He never looks head and shoulders above Diskin and that fact that so many have such polarised opinions speaks for itself. If Buderus, at Leeds, was so much better than Diskin we'd all be cooing over him and Diskin wouldn't get a look in at the 17.

I simply think that given his salary, given that he takes up a quota space and given the cover we have in his position Buederus is not a player I would sign on for next year.

If this is now the standard you are gonna be busy.



In 2004? Thats ok then, 6 years on and hes gone backwards faster than a French conscript.



I would say approximately 80% better.



Really, not from what I have seen, add to that Diskins now woeful lateral movement due to have that well know lead legs syndrome and I fail to see what you are basing that assumption on.



Only your opinion and the odd balls on here, those that seem to talk sense seem to be able to tell the difference between Buderus and Diskin, one is a Big Mac with Cheese, the other is a Sam "n" Ella burger from the filth van outside the Plaza nightclub in Burnley.



He shouldn't be but the Coach is spineless.

Not disingenuous, I was one of the first ones to shake my head at Buderus signing, did not mean Diskin was along for the ride, no team can achieve what Leeds have without a very good hooker, the role is to pivotel these days. If I had a choice my heart would say Buderus, given age, salary etc keep Diskin & use Buderus wages on a half back to keep us on the front foot. (i expect to be shot down in flames for this suggestion shortly

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Has he perfromed as expected?

What bile?

So we bought an injured player?

Way to go!

Leave the excuses out of it Danny.

Oh. It must be April.

Ah. so it is!

Danny? anyway, Buderus tore his Bicep well after signing for Leeds.

Firstly, I would agree that following his knee injury, Diskin lost half a yard of pace and a little mobility. To say he went backwards to the extent you are suggesting is, quite frankly, horse t.

I have always rated Buderus from his days at Newcastle and, having had the pleasure of watching him play first hand, I would have to agree that he was a world class player. Little things that he did on Sunday would suggest to me that he still has an enormous talent and that he may well replicate his NRL form, given time to settle. Even disregarding current form, his distrubution skills are without doubt superior to Diskin's. However, to suggest that Diskin is less than two thirds as good a player, now or ever, is another pile of horse t.

Diskin has never possessed the overall skills demonstrated by Buderus in previous years but, he has been an international and, in my opinion, should have been given other opportunities at that level. In short, he may be the weaker of the two but, it isn't by much.

There are more facets to a hooker's game than passing the ball off the floor and making the odd scoot from dummy half. For a start off, your team is not going to have the ball for at least 30% of the time in a game in which your team is vastly superior. If anyone was being disingenuous earlier in the thread, you definitely fall into the alternative category.

Finally, what the F@@@ do you mean be lateral movement? I have seen enough crabs wearing blue n amber thank you!

I remember a story years ago when half the first team contracted them, the depleated team was also put down to an injury crisis, started by a bird in the richmond or somewhere, shame current injury crisis can't be overcome by a dose of anti-biotics.

Sounds about right.

if buderus did sign for another year surely it would be a much lower salary than the one he is on now

But why? He's showing the same form he did when at the height of his career.

sgtwilko said so.