‘Bogey side’ would suggest we are a good team, and just struggle against this one team, who we’d expect to beat at home. Not the case at all.

Pretty disastrous start to his Leeds career for Mom.. could be injured again. He doesn’t look to have settled yet and looks unfit

Pathetic performance

Mom and Frawley terrible yet again, to be fair, not the only ones

Saints two weeks running was always going to be hard games.
As last year,the manner of the defeats c/ performances is frustrating.

The bench stuff in both is stupid.

Momirovski on the wing was daft. I've never liked moving multiple players to sort one position. Don't rate Roberts? Fine. Pick someone else there.

But our problems start with our pack. Even our biggest players just aren't physical enough, and none of them make yards when the going is tough. We knew this last year and it looks like more of the same. Ruan has potential and a bit of oomph and would have been better than picking more microscopic forwards.
I've bit my tongue on Frawley, but he really does look as poor as I feared when we signed him.

And yet it'll (probably) get the paper over cracks treatment if we beat a few of the so called weaker teams until we got trounced by Wigan / Saints again in the league....

We should still be a top six side this year, but on this evidence we are 3/4 players off the top sides.

More worrying for me is that three of our new signings have problems, and Frawley has been poor both games against Saints.

It’s alright RS blaming the referees but like I said last week, the difference is that Saints just don’t make the slack errors we do.

Someone summed it up pretty well on ‘X’ last night stating that Rohan Smith is the equivalent of Jesse Marsch at Leeds United

We can argue till the cows come home about the players.
It doesn't really matter: while they're been asked to do exactly the same as last year's mob, you'd expect this year to be a carbon copy of last. Which is how it's shaping up.

Hmm they don’t look well coached do they..

We are miles off competing with the top teams based on this season so far and the last 2 weeks in particular. Yes we beat Catalan, but spent most of that game defending our line. Last week for 30 minutes we ran harder, moved up quicker and tackled harder than the opposition and looked the better team. Unfortunately that type of performance has been a rarity under Smith. That 30 minutes apart we have shown no improvement in our style of play from last season.
We may need 3/4 better players to compete with the best teams, but the players we have rarely play to the best of their ability as a team under Smith.

We were that slow around the ruck area Saints didn’t have to slow the play the ball down. We managed superbly to do that job for them. Another master class in coaching from Smith-the best returner of a ball in super league is Welsby. So let’s kick the ball to him, wonderful.

You’re not going to see a transformed style of play while the same coach is in charge. RS style can be very effective but errors cost us second half last week and whole game this week.

RS doesn’t coach players to drop the ball, pass it into touch or kick out on the full etc. Leeds sides have been prone to stupid errors like this for years now though.

I’m more bothered about selections/benches not working out, and the new players underperforming.

Yep, pretty spot on assessment that. The next 5 are huge. We need to see this side clicking and performing much better and with more intensity. If not serious serious questions need asking of Rohan. This season is his last chance saloon. He’s been backed as much as possible in the transfer market.

The last time we beat Saints at home was in 2017 and since Brian McDermott left in mid 2018 we have only won once away, last season’s late drop goal by Blake Austin.

We’ve been miles behind them for a long time and that is mainly due to Hetherington’s incompetence managing the football side.

Losing Walters to Wigan and having a pack riddled with plodders is the perfect example of the fact he is well, well past his sell by date . He needs putting out to grass

We need to get Rowley in whilst we can , he at least can improve players and has structures . Unfortunately Smith can do neither

He may not coach them to drop the ball, kick out on the full etc, but what does he coach them to do?
Lack of line speed, players receiving the ball stood still, no organisation in attack are all issues that he hasn't been able to address. It is not only new players underperforming, the team as a whole have been underperforming for the last season and a bit under Smith.

The No 7 for Wests putting in a good kicking performance this morning

On last night’s performance I’d agree with you.

Overall though I do think the side has progressed from last year. Frankly I just want to get out of this crappy weather and see what we look like further into the season.

Handley, Croft, Smith, Ackers, Martin, Newman, Mik, Sangare have been in decent form this year. Bentley has been better than last year. Miller has had lots of good moments.

Holroyd, McDonnell, Mom look undercooked.

We aren’t playing well enough as a team though and we have a couple of individuals struggling for form.

And O'Connor needs to be in the reserves next week. Two huge defensive errors in consecutive weeks. Nowhere near good enough from a player who's main strength is defence.

Against Cas I’d be tempted to consider McCormack for Mom, Sinfield for Frawley and Ruan or Goudemand for O’Connor.

I wouldn't be changing the spine unless we have injuries. They need game time together. We definitely need some extra pace and athleticism in the team, though.

Thanks had a listen really gushing stuff but to be honest I'm not that bothered how good he is at coaching more worried about his playing credentials looks like another can't be ar%!d journey man but still better than Frawley.

I don’t think RS will drop Frawley. Apart from anything else it would be an admission of failure on his part. Matt can play better to be fair and he’s decent in D too - I just think he’s been poor for 2 consecutive weeks.

I think with the quality in our team, we can play better than we are showing.

I’m sorry but I just don’t think Rohan is capable of getting the best out of our team. I will give him until 12 weeks but can’t see anything changing than win one week, lose the next.

For mine, we must win at least 8 of the first 12 for him to remain in the job and even then unless there is a vast improvement, I suspect I will likely remain unconvinced.

I wish we played with the intensity of the first 30 minutes last week, albeit that seems a rarity.

No doubt Leeds will put 50 past an awful Cas side and all will be forgiven. Then the following week there will be another awful performance.