yes the old saying "that you can only play well if the other team let you" applies. Thought the lads did us proud and lets hope we kick on from here. A few silly mistakes and not getting the rub of the green cost us but as in the past when you are playing confidently the little things go your way.

That only applies to 5 days of the week.
I spend weekends doing what the wife and kids tell me to do

Smith and Ablett must be the two slowest centres in SL - whenever we had some space neither had the speed to exploit it.

As for Kylie a complete waste of a shirt - one set hen we deep in our own 20 needing props to get us out he never once took the ball up!! Ali the same and Bailey too.

Sinfield was outstanding last night his best game in ages. Buderus put in a huge performance once again as did Delanney who looked much more suited to the forwards.

Hardaker is emerging as some talent he easily outshone BJB and Charnley for whom last should be filed under "Could do better".

Sometimes you need the rub of the green - Leeds didn't get that last night

thought you were outstanding last night and really unlucky not to come away with anything. maguire was top notch and that young right winger
has loads of potential. the match turned on the kick off in the second half when maguire didn't field it and wigan gained a load of momentum but
you fought back and were unlucky not to score at the end. chins up, it's looking like more like the old leeds. get a few games under your belt with
a run of no injuries and you'll be back up there.

The problem is common sense does nor have much value on here!

That extra bit of luck, the rub of the green, the winning try from a forward pass or from being offside... these are all things which the top teams often benefit from because they get themselves in a position to do exactly that. They possess that extra edge to their game.

For Leeds, they used to benefit from such fortune on a regular basis but no longer because they've lost their competitive edge on a consistent basis. The squad is over the hill and they can no longer be considered one of the top contender teams. The only thing left for them is to provide nuisance value against the top teams. They've failed miserably to do this because there's simply not enough left in the tank with this ageing squad. They've been able to raise their performance only twice all season and it's no coincidence that's been against Wigan as they've treated both those games like must win games or Cup Finals. They can no longer maintain that level week in, week out.

I'd like to think the performance against Wigan last night will be the spur for Leeds to kick on from here and to raise their level of performance for the rest of the season. However, the evidence of the season thus far suggests their performances will drop off again as they face the rest of the SL whipping boy rabble. Not that it matters too much as they'll still win most of those rabble fixtures.

Next week is crucial. Leeds must beat Catalan otherwise they may well find themselves trailing them by 6 points and staring down the barrel of a 6th place finish on the SL ladder when they really ought to be finishing 5th.

A lack of quality centres was the problem. I agree that Leeds struggled at times in the second half to get momentum without getting a penalty in the second half. If Burrow wants to remain at Leeds then I believe his role should be as replacement hooker. Do not sign Chase, we need someone more in the mould of Brough.

A top stand off, a second rower in the mould of Eastwood and a world class centre please.

Where was that performance last week and indeed for good parts of this season. Another hard test next week but a little bit more confident now although catalans are playing well especially at home, lets hope they play their best today

Even more blatant than Sinfield jumping at Richards with the knees to take him out off the ball in your in goal area? Even more blatant than McGuire's embarrassing attempt at obstructing Pat earlier which failed and Hoffman got the try? What about the chicken wing on Hoffman that looked like his arm was gonna come off? Let's face it, when Leeds gave the first penalty with their niggling after just 15 seconds of the match it was obvious they hadn't turned up to play rugby league. Those dirty tactics got you close to beating the champions though, I'll admit that.

please dont lay on too long?not just in the tackle

Not his biggest fan at scrum half but less of a fan as hooker, buderus with mcshane is a better prospect for me

It's a shame that Hood didn't get a run earlier in the season, as we will be relying on him and McShane next year apparently.

He wasn't square because Smith moved way off the mark (not unusual for Leeds). Should have been a Wigan penalty.

Another sober analysis from this afternoons poor excuse for a Super League game....

I'm embarrassed that Leeds Rhinos lost to that pile of steaming cack that reside at Odslum.
Catalans did everything they could to lose the game, but still won!!!!

Don't think Mr Gledhill will be over to gloat this week.

Agree it was poor

Spot on IMO

It's a major problem in the game as a whole over here. When George Carmont at 33 is the best centre playing in Super League it doesn't say much for our British/ English centres.

Agree centre is a big problem position for the English game

brilliant



You wigan fans are far and away the most one eyed in the game...you might want to try watching the incident with your eyes open next time...Tomkins tackled smith then stood up [ubehind[/u him and made a tackle - it doesn't matter if Smith was on the mark or not Tomkins was on the wrong F*cking side of the PTB and therefore should not have made a tackle - its a penalty everytime and a sin bin anytime that its after a break

Wigan fans...bar far the most one-eyed in RL...

Sinfield jumping "with the knees" not only do other teams cheat against you they invent new and preposterous forms of foul play to try and hurt your precious superstars



McGuire I agree took a shocking option in trying to make the Wigan player miss rather than going for the ball...but you do realise you got a try and therefore by definition there was no "professional foul" don't you??

A chicken wing on a wigan player

- someone should tell Michael Macguire, I'm sure he would be disgusted by any club using such tactics ...no really, he'd never lower his sides to use such tactics



Oh and WTF does niggling have to do with professional fouls?

Oh thank you, that's really nice.



This is my first time on the Leeds board. I like it so much I will come back from time to time.

That sums it up very well for me. Wigan were lucky to get away with that. We didn't play our best (although we weren't poor), but now have that "winning edge" that Leeds used to have.

Jamie Peacock, as good as he is, can't be expected to take on the job of the entire pack on his own, but your other props were poor. McGuire's still a class player but not in the best of form. I used to get worried every time Burrow got the ball a few years back, but now he seems to have completely lost his way. You've got some decent youngsters in the outside backs though.

Every team waxes and wanes over the years, it's inevitable. You've had a few great years, you'll probably now have a few average ones, just like us.

Can't argue with any of that really

We were average. Worst place league finish was 7th in recent years (that was admittedly after being 6 points clear at the bottom of the table with 8 games to go

). In a league of 12, 7th is about average.

I don't really give a t0ss what other Wigan fans have said on here. Teams' form, as with dynasties, come and go.