And it's a perfectly reasonable and valid point to make.

Hopefully the added competition will bring the best out of Bailey as he looks to secure his future beyond the 2010 season.

There's a few of your own on the thread leaving him out of your strongest 17 by the way, you might want to get yourself a nice big meal before fighting the bigots on all fronts.

I suppose we can revisit at the end of the year and check out his appearance record and lucrative new contract, I may well be proved wrong.

The squad changes. Like they all do.

Forwards are signed, forwards are released.

Players like Eastwood come in.

But they also leave (Ward/Thackary/Adamson/Poching etc).

But what has been the constant throughout these changes??

Bailey has still played.

Yes he's had better seasons than others, and played more games than other years. But the coaching staff pick him for the recent big game winners medals. He is regarded by me and by the coaching staff.

He's been with us nearly 10 years, listening to some on here you would think that.

Between you and me mate, there's a few k-nobs in 'my own'.



As for his contract - I have minimal interest in that. What he earns is what he earns. I wouldn't put my contract up here for discussion so I will offer Mr Bailey the same respect.

Appreciate all that and would remind you that I was offering an opinion as to whether Bailey will be part of a fully fit Leeds team in 2010 and whether he will get a new contract.

Not whether he is better than Wayne McDonald or Jamie Thackray or how long he has been with the club.

Sorry for extending the subject matter and offering intelligent, logical examples to back up MY point of view.

Silly me.

All very logical, but we seem to be arguing different points.

I questioned whether Bailey would be first choice at Leeds in 2010, you seem to be talking about his contribution within past and different squads (after a slight detour raging on about a James Graham tackle, Bryn Hargreaves and Paul Clough, and Maurie Fa'asavalu's nose - which I wouldn't necessarily file under "intelligent" but everyone has their own standards).

bailey is a waste of time he has a good game maybe twice a season we have better players coming through if you think its going to be baileys season then dont hold your breath , burgess is the one to look out for this year and even kyle amor?

We've been here before.

Season after season - 'will he get a game??' 'will he get a new contract?'

blah blah blah

It's boring frankly.

What my POV is looking back at was has occured before. Facts. These highlight that he has this question asked and yet he still picks up that GF ring.

Yes Eastwood is new. It's just a different name on the same variable.

Raging on??? Really?? You can't have seen 'r lass 'going 'off on one' as that is rage in the puriest - filthiest - form.

I dunno - what do you think??

Not a lot I bet.

I see your point re: Bailey's longevity in the past, but it isn't just a different name is it? It's a young Kiwi international. With two other pack signings made in the shape of Amor and Bibb, and another year under the belt for Burgess.

Given all that, I would say it's reasonable to ask whether he'll be in the first choice 17. Some would say it's far more reasonable an assertion than the OP's . . . .



Lucky you

not sure how much impact kylie would have as an impact sub...

think he's probably best on @ the start

Yeah the young Kiwi should keep them all on their toes (as it should!!)

But with JP and Kylie knocking on we need to keep the pack fresh and current.

And as for the Burgess remark, this was said when Scruton was here. Like I said I've been here before many times and Bailey still stands!!

As for 'lucky me' - oh I know that!!!

I don't know, I actually agree with him.

You reckon she'd let me have a go?

I wouldn't take long and she'd barely notice?

I'd buy you a pint.

i like Bailey, I think he is a decent player. He has Great defence and contributes a lot. His biggest problem though is he sometimes doesnt offer enough going forward.

He is still pretty young, probably a year or two away from his physical peak as a prop (and only 1-2 years older than FGB) yet has a wealth of experience and has played against and beat, some of the biggest names in the world

I have always wondered though whether he should have had a few years in the 2nd row before moving up to prop at about 28 like Peacock did. Maybe he could offer more around the fringes at 2nd row for a year or two before moving up

I don't think he's ever been mobile enough for 2nd row. Had a decent run out tonight I think

1st Squad of 2010 everyone fit and available and who starts at prop???????

One of his best performances last year was at Hull KR, he played in a wide position there (before he got knocked out)

What yer questioning??

Make it a few pints and a pub snack of my choice and she's all yours.

Game winning play IIRC.