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| Agreeing to release Buderus from the final year of his current contract would, you would hope, save Leeds some money. The idea that it would be re-invested in additional playing personnel is a novel one but as yet un-tested.
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| Thats the part I don't understand! Given how quickly GH has shifted Burgess, Cross & Senior off the books I would have thought that he would jump at the opportunity to remove Buderus from the pay-roll - surely one of the highest earners.
I'd prefer he stayed, but given his quality sometimes I feel embarrassed for him, having to play with the useless misfits that resemble our pack at the mo. I bet he can't wait to get back home.
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| The way McShane has been handled at times this season I wouldn't be suprised if he wasn't hear next season.
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| Quote ="AJC"Thats the part I don't understand! Given how quickly GH has shifted Burgess, Cross & Senior off the books I would have thought that he would jump at the opportunity to remove Buderus from the pay-roll - surely one of the highest earners.
I'd prefer he stayed, but given his quality sometimes I feel embarrassed for him, having to play with the useless misfits that resemble our pack at the mo. I bet he can't wait to get back home.'"
I reckon Leeds will let him go.
The club has missed a huge opportunity this season - at least - to have had a quality hooker alongside Sinfield (LF) leading a young enthusiastic pack ( Ambler, Amor, Singleton, Ablett, Carvill, Clarkson etc .... there IS a sub bench ) around the park to lay the foundations for McShane and/or Hood to take over a now experienced but still young future pack nucleus upon his departure. Ward could then be groomed to take over from Sinfield at LF the season after.
Still...management and coaching know best .
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"The way McShane has been handled at times this season I wouldn't be suprised if he wasn't hear next season.'"
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Funny isn't it ? McShane was being proclaimed to be the new Cunningham amongst the most enthusiastic of us....then McDermott pulled his regular masterstroke of dropping an in-form player ( this time in favour of Burrow on the bench, who himself looked like he was getting back to a bit of form ). He's not been the same since.
Great man management Brian
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| I suspect Buderus has already agreed to return next year and that the delay in the announcement of his return is posturing by GH to try and show he had a say in the matter, possibly also whilst negotiations continue over a "significant transfer fee" a la Eastwood to the NRL last year (which in the end was enough to buy a replacement for the Kiwi international from the Championship)
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| There's also the matter of the perception in Australia of Leeds as a club. The Eastwood saga undoubtedly did us some damage, and if we were to be seen to block the triumphant return home of Buderus, I doubt it would look good, regardless of right and wrong.
Buderus has tried his all for Leeds. There is absolutely no point in making him stay to help get us out the mire we are currently in. Far better looking to the future and use cap space on a quality outside back and forward.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"There's also the matter of the perception in Australia of Leeds as a club. The Eastwood saga undoubtedly did us some damage, and if we were to be seen to block the triumphant return home of Buderus, I doubt it would look good, regardless of right and wrong.
Buderus has tried his all for Leeds. There is absolutely no point in making him stay to help get us out the mire we are currently in. Far better looking to the future and use cap space on a quality outside back and forward.'"
Totally agree. We can use the Buderus, Senior, Cross, Burgess and Ali? money under the cap to bring in 2/3 quality players. I think a centre, prop and second row forward are needed to make the team ultra competitive at the top again. My fear is all the best NRL players off contract have been snapped up. I hope GH has already got something up his sleeve. But it appears Heighington is now staying in the NRL.
Brisbane, are there any quality outside backs and forwards still available?
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| Quote ="rhino2009"Totally agree. We can use the Buderus, Senior, Cross, Burgess and Ali? money under the cap to bring in 2/3 quality players. I think a centre, prop and second row forward are needed to make the team ultra competitive at the top again. My fear is all the best NRL players off contract have been snapped up. I hope GH has already got something up his sleeve. But it appears Heighington is now staying in the NRL.
Brisbane, are there any quality outside backs and forwards still available?'"
We will need a replacement hooker aswell, because for me McShane does not look like he can cut the mustard as a starter and young Hood is untried and therefore untested. We also need either a decent SO or SH to give us options.
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| We could try playing our regular halfbacks together for a few games before binning either of them. One is coming back from a career threatening injury, and the other has struggled at time due to the lack of forward dominance and some simply ridiculous gameplans.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"We could try playing our regular halfbacks together for a few games before binning either of them. One is coming back from a career threatening injury, and the other has struggled at time due to the lack of forward dominance and some simply ridiculous gameplans.'"
As poop as I think Burrow has become, I think you are stating the obvious there bats.
We are in dissaray and struggling. Sinfield is a loose forward and holds the team together from that position. Our halfbacks work well enough with him. It's a no brainer to revert back to something proven.
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| Burrow was in great form up to Easter. McGuire was being handled properly, being eased back in. Sinfield was doing a decent enough job covering at 6.
It was fairly obvious that over the last few months our triangle should have been put back in place.
Instead the coach has picked a different 6,7 and 13 many weeks and has decided Burrow is now the hooker cover from the bench, not McShane (who was also coming along well until our coaches intervention).
Fekking genius.
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| Quote ="G1"Burrow was in great form up to Easter. McGuire was being handled properly, being eased back in. Sinfield was doing a decent enough job covering at 6.
It was fairly obvious that over the last few months our triangle should have been put back in place.
Instead the coach has picked a different 6,7 and 13 many weeks and has decided Burrow is now the hooker cover from the bench, not McShane (who was also coming along well until our coaches intervention).
Fekking genius.'"
Have said as much elsewhere..anybody that looks on form is promptly demoted.
Could not agree with you more.
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| Agree G one baffling selection after another.
Fieldheadrhino Mcshane wil prove his worth given the right gametime and Hood looks an even better prospect so 9 is wel covered.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"There's also the matter of the perception in Australia of Leeds as a club. The Eastwood saga undoubtedly did us some damage, and if we were to be seen to block the triumphant return home of Buderus, I doubt it would look good, regardless of right and wrong. '"
I would think the way the whole Ben Cross saga was handled hasn't done our reputation Down Under much good either...
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| when buderus goes next year we will sign a new hooker and may end up losing both mcshane and hood. In hoods case theres interest from other SL clubs and championship clubs for possible loan/dual reg for next year which wont happen as the club feel hes not ready even for the championship and IMHO are restricting his development so he may leave
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| Who says we will sign a new hooker?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"He was a dumb signing. Buderus has said that himself. He obviously got sold a bit of a dud when he signed re the role he'd play with Diskin - I bet he would never have joined us if he'd known the situation.
Anyway, I'd be happy to let McShane and Hood have a go from next year. I have no doubts Buderus would continue to try his all for Leeds, as he is a champion player. But if he wants to return to Newcastle for a triumphant swansong, we shouldn't stand in his way. Unless we sign some players in key positions, next year will be all about rebuilding, and at most he'll only be here for the one season. We may be weak at hooker without him, but we are currently far weaker in other positions.'"
I think McClennan saw the issues around Diskin and brought Buderus in as a replacement not a partner.
Sadly the players mafia put a stop to that which forced McClennan to introduce a completely alien system to to both players.
Whilst we may have had more success with Diskin - 2004 apart it was more inspite of rather than because of - no one can deny Buderus is in a different class as a player. It is a pity his commitment/quality on the field is not matched by some of the other members of the mafia!!
McShane reminds me of Dean Lawford - nearly good enough but not quite - this is the most important position on the field and needs an appropriate player - if Buderus is off Leeds need a nine. Hood looks the real deal in his peer group, great game awareness, superb step etc but that is a world away from leading a team around a SL field. On the positive Clark at Cas has done an excellent job given his age.
I suspect 2012 has already been written off - hence Buderus' outpourings - and Leeds will let him go save the money.
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| its definately happenin if buderus leaves im affraid not to keen on revealing my source but its nailed on that if DB leaves the deal will involve a replacement hooker
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| Sal i'm not gonna go back to the "Buderus v Disko" argument.
Lets get this right Disko played a key role in EVERY GF we won mate and to label it "inspite" of rather than because of is way off the mark imo.
He may not of been MOM in every game but he put a quality shift in and was certainly a positive influence.
As for Mcshane i think he needs much more game-time before we write him off and i do agree re-Hood maybe a loan would suite him.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Sal i'm not gonna go back to the "Buderus v Disko" argument.
Lets get this right Disko played a key role in EVERY GF we won mate and to label it "inspite" of rather than because of is way off the mark imo.
He may not of been MOM in every game but he put a quality shift in and was certainly a positive influence.
As for Mcshane i think he needs much more game-time before we write him off and i do agree re-Hood maybe a loan would suite him.'"
We must agree to differ - 2004 he was correctly MOM he was superb - the other GF wins his impact was no where near as influential and he along with some others benefitted from playing in a good side.
On McShane time will tell, I don't see the rate of improvement I would expect, the fact Buderus is out performing him every game and the gap between their relative performances is widening illustrates this lack of improvement. Whilst I have no truck with McDermott the fact that McShane appears to be falling down the pecking order suggest all is not well. To play hooker you need stamina - I am not sure McShane naturally has this, you also need pace not quick accelaration, McShane doesn't have that either. Talented player ball in hand not sure he has the all round game and physical aptitude to play this role at the top level.
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| Re Mcshane not getting selected i think it's another of our esteemed coaches selection brain farts tbh and i think he has got the potential to be a good SL9.
I'm sure if he was given the game-time he'd show sufficiant improvement as he did when selected at Cas i just think it's a case of having a duff coach at the moment.
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| I've heard McShane isn't happy about how he's been treated this season and may leave. It wouldn't suprise me.
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| mcshane is telling everyone who will listen that mcdonut is a crap coach
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"I've heard McShane isn't happy about how he's been treated this season and may leave. It wouldn't suprise me.'"
Would he not be incredibly stupid to want to leave?
With the strong possibility of Buderus leaving after this season, if not certainly next season, he would be stupid to leave. His future is paved out for him in one of the biggest clubs in the country.
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