I'm sure that with Connor, Newman, Bentley and Lisone in the side, we'll be appreciating the finer points of this system soon enough. Although maybe losing Martin has a silver lining in this regard. Discipline is certainly one area that we've been terrible in (irrespective of coach) in recent years.

[quote="YosemiteSam":1s3o5uvw]It's the same clowns determining if there is an offence and the grade. The new system doesn't address the utter lack of consistency. And the 5 points added for an unsuccessful appeal, regardless of the strength of evidence provided, suggests a panel uncomfortable with even a modicum of scrutiny and challenge.[/quote:1s3o5uvw] Bravo. I’ve bailed on a season ticket for the first time in many years because of these clowns. Decision making based on the subjectivity of refs rather than by the rule book has killed it for me.

[quote="leeds owl":2forkkq8]Bravo. I’ve bailed on a season ticket for the first time in many years because of these clowns. Decision making based on the subjectivity of refs rather than by the rule book has killed it for me.[/quote:2forkkq8] You survived Holdsworth, Whitfield and the Connollys yet somehow the current setup is what's done it. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[quote="MjM":148gzsb0]You survived Holdsworth, Whitfield and the Connollys yet somehow the current setup is what's done it. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.[/quote:148gzsb0] Exactly. I've watched thousands of games & can only think of a couple where the ref has spoiled the game for me. The refs today are generally as good & professional as ever, they are just more scrutinised & vilified than ever, as seems to be the fashion.

It's not so much the refereeing (though there is a "look at me" attitude from some of them) it's the panel. The outcomes too often give the impression of them looking for things to call out and reasons to ban players. I'm not against a points system, but the panel must become much more transparent in the way it works and focus on big ticket issues rather than the minutiae of each game.

[quote="MjM":3lvhu7km]You survived Holdsworth, Whitfield and the Connollys yet somehow the current setup is what's done it. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.[/quote:3lvhu7km] A good friend of mine tells me his Dad overheard Whitfield saying in a pub how much he hated Leeds... the man was an outrageously bad referee.

[quote="Trebor1":2arx5oil]A good friend of mine tells me his Dad overheard Whitfield saying in a pub how much he hated Leeds... the man was an outrageously bad referee.[/quote:2arx5oil] Nearly as bad as Robert Hicks. He kept his hatred to himself though.

hicks was pish poor for everybody...

Under these new rules we actually seem to be in the best position to start the year https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... om-hull-fc

Under these new rules we actually seem to be in the best position to start the year https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... om-hull-fc

[quote="tad rhino":hl66zthg]hicks was pish poor for everybody...[/quote:hl66zthg] Hicks had an agenda with Leeds, I’ve no doubt about that. Amongst many, many bad calls he made against Leeds two in particular stand out. I’m sure most people remember the day Micky Mcclorum tried decapitating Brad Dwyer for Catalans. He then picked up the groggy, bloodied Dwyer and dropped him down again. As the medics tried to stem the bleeding from Dwyers flattened nose and gashed lip, Chris Kendall sought advice from video ref Hicks. He deemed no offence had been committed for the initial head shot or subsequent lifting of an injured player. The judiciary, like everyone else on the planet, said different. Mcclorum was charged with the head shot and most serious grade F charge for lifting an injured player. He was subsequently banned for 6 games which ended his campaign and the start of the following season. It should also have ended Hicks career as a Superleague official. The 2nd well known bit of Hicksery was when he managed to yellow card Danny Mags as he was carried off after the “crocodile roll” tackle from Marc Sneyd who tried unscrewing Danny’s leg. The disciplinary obviously ignored Hicks, banned Sneyd and no charge against McGuire. Stopping short of apologising , Hicks blamed Danny Mags “previous petulance” for his bad read on the situation. You couldn’t make it up.

We should give McNamara and Peter Hood the 2 points back after Tansey-gate

Nerd alert... You can work out from the RFL disciplinary record that our points b/f were accumulated and so drop out after 12 months as follows: Lisone - All 5 points 22nd February (the ridiculous 3 match ban he got at Hull KR before things settled down a bit) Ackers - 1 point 25th July Bentley - 1 point 2nd March Connor - 1 point 16th March Cam Smith - 1 point 28th March and 1 point 3rd August

[quote="leeds owl":t6ms3qfl]Hicks had an agenda with Leeds, I’ve no doubt about that. Amongst many, many bad calls he made against Leeds two in particular stand out. I’m sure most people remember the day Micky Mcclorum tried decapitating Brad Dwyer for Catalans. He then picked up the groggy, bloodied Dwyer and dropped him down again. As the medics tried to stem the bleeding from Dwyers flattened nose and gashed lip, Chris Kendall sought advice from video ref Hicks. He deemed no offence had been committed for the initial head shot or subsequent lifting of an injured player. The judiciary, like everyone else on the planet, said different. Mcclorum was charged with the head shot and most serious grade F charge for lifting an injured player. He was subsequently banned for 6 games which ended his campaign and the start of the following season. It should also have ended Hicks career as a Superleague official.[/quote:t6ms3qfl] FWIW micky mac originally copped a game for the high shot, doubled to two following a frivolous appeal. On the other hand his grade f charge was reduced to a grade d and he got four for that. The game was also notable for the ever lovable joel tomkins giving myler the sort of body search normally carried out by customs officers wearing surgical gloves. He got 8. Not sure last year's officiating was worse, if I'm honest.

[quote="Clearwing":25m60ih3] The game was also notable for the ever lovable joel tomkins giving myler the sort of body search normally carried out by customs officers wearing surgical gloves. [/quote:25m60ih3] Forgot about that one. Maybe Tomkins had aspirations to be a doctor and was just checking for any enlargement in that area.

I went to see Leeds Knights last week, I know nothing about Ice Hockey apart from you need to score. Near the end there was a fight , the announcer said that both players were sent off for five minutes and will be banned for the next game. I thought that was disciplinary at its quickest, our panels and appeals could learn a lot from that.

[quote="Rhino at work":1h91tzrv]Nerd alert... You can work out from the RFL disciplinary record that our points b/f were accumulated and so drop out after 12 months as follows: Lisone - All 5 points 22nd February (the ridiculous 3 match ban he got at Hull KR before things settled down a bit) Ackers - 1 point 25th July Bentley - 1 point 2nd March Connor - 1 point 16th March Cam Smith - 1 point 28th March and 1 point 3rd August[/quote:1h91tzrv] Can someone explain how these carry forwards have been arrived at. I get the conversion of offence severity into points that accumulate during the season. But I don’t follow the application of this to 2024 offences. If a player offended last year surely they’ll have served a ban then and those offences extinguished. Or is it that all offences last season, even though they served a ban for them, are carried forward to this year.

Seems that a decision has been made that offences get annulled after a year I think. But given the woeful level of reporting of this and the byzantine complexity of it all who knows?

[quote="GeordieRhino":1id9myeg]Can someone explain how these carry forwards have been arrived at. I get the conversion of offence severity into points that accumulate during the season. But I don’t follow the application of this to 2024 offences. If a player offended last year surely they’ll have served a ban then and those offences extinguished. Or is it that all offences last season, even though they served a ban for them, are carried forward to this year.[/quote:1id9myeg] Last year's gradings of offence are reduced by one level so for example Lisone's Grade D becomes Grade C hence he starts on 5 points. We can argue about the fairness of it all (double jeopardy / new NRL imports being exempt) but clearly the intent is that they want to start 2025 as if the system had always been in place. I guess the "it's the same for everyone" attitude has been applied. As luck would have it we have done OK by having 3 new overseas players plus Holroyd and Gannon coming back from long lay offs.

[quote="Bullseye":xocblprn]Seems that a decision has been made that offences get annulled after a year I think. But given the woeful level of reporting of this and the byzantine complexity of it all who knows?[/quote:xocblprn] That's what is being reported by journalists but I haven't found any detail about the practicalities of it. Could be key for us regarding Lisone - he got his 5 points on 22nd February 2024 and we play round 2 this year on 22nd February 2025 so I would hope they will have disappeared by then but who knows?

Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update

Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update

[quote="Rhino at work":323xvbz0]Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update[/quote:323xvbz0] Sam Burgess not happy apparently hence the RL looking at it again.

[quote="Rhino at work":323xvbz0]Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update[/quote:323xvbz0] Sam Burgess not happy apparently hence the RL looking at it again.

Nailed on that someone would be.

he said if a player served a ban last year for an offence why should he get points this year for the same offence. the player is being punished twice. and he is correct.

[quote="tad rhino":3tec74lq]he said if a player served a ban last year for an offence why should he get points this year for the same offence. the player is being punished twice. and he is correct.[/quote:3tec74lq] Blindingly obvious double jeopardy to everyone except the RFL it appears. That these regs have got this far into the public domain without anyone pointing this out is incredible, because surely if someone had they'd have already addressed this. But then, this is the RFL. They really don't help themselves.

no they don't. unless a player has a ban to be served just start fresh.