Why do you hate to say it? He was playing for England, for fecks sake.

doesn't matter against us because they don't need 80 mins to get a game locked up. You call it as you see it minus blinkers. Surely that call says once again as a team we are simply not on their level. They are too consistent.

The Kiwis beat them by having some consistency themselves and staying in range all game, enthusiastic tough defence and top it off by raising the intensity a couple of times a game, which has tipped it in their favour recently.

England neither play as a team, play tough and compete or show consistency.

Not because he plays for Leeds just never rated him did not think he was good enough.

You hate to acknowledge good performances in the national shirt, just because of who they play for at club level?

Seriously?

Edit - misread sorry. But then it changes to "you hate to acknowledge a good performance for England, just because you didn't rate them?"

From a Saints fan - I though Sinfield played very well today.

McGuire on the other hand was HOPELESS!!!

Must be Eastmond & Tompkins at half back next week.

The pack was outstanding and in the 2nd half even the backs who have been knocked were very good.

Now you're really starting to embarrass yourself.

thought mcguire did some poor things today but wasn't on his own and also saved at least 3 trys defusing kicks and plays! His defencive effort was bang on! eg when slater scored in the first half! Mcguires man was lockyer he covered him then almost stopped the best attacking fullback in the world! He did will to try and hold the line to say tom briscoe went walk about kevin penny style!

your Hopeless comment says you don't watch the full game and you have a hidden agenda! But your bang on re sinfield

No hidden agenda at all - just saying what I saw!!!

McGuire had a hand in 3 of Aussies tries either with a poor decision, lack of pace, or a poor pass, which led to the Inglis interception try.

I like McGuire and think he's a very very good player but isn't good enough against Aussies or Kiwis - time to give the new blood of EASTMOND AND TOMPKINS a go next week.

We can't be any worse than we were in the first half.

Its incredible that the usual suspects decide that an Aussie side 26-0 up at half time thought about anything in the 2nd half other than getting through it, they sat at 1st gear and cruised, which is commendable because if they had rattled up 60 what credibility would the International game have??

The only positive is that the change in intensity has set SL up to be a competitive brand, it just isn't.

And as for Sinfield, how many of you actually think he would make the starting 13 for any side in the NRL?









You lot talk absolute garbage, you're pathetic Leeds believests who think he can walk on water, today he was walking in treacle.

let me tell you what I saw! Lack of pace? he kept up with inglis who is one of the quickest centres in the world! Granted he didn't catch him but inglis didn't get away from him

second thing I can think of may be the slater try when mcguire did he job marking Lockyer then cover for others and nearly tackled arguably the quickest and best attacking fullback in the world!

for the intercept at this level burgess could have and should have taken that pass! and probably would have if he hadnt have knocked on the previous pass and wasn't a bag of nerves when he came on!



simply rubbish!!

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, WE ARE LEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is making a tool of yourself on a regular basis catching?

you are as bigger troll as we have on the Leeds board! You are transparent

Mcguires decision making and organisation at this intensity is poor he either dithers and gets caught in posession or drifts accross the field and gives a nothing ball eg flicking the ball at burgess.

I wasn't being altogether serious.

Will we ever see an England side capable of extended the Aussies past forty minutes in any given match?

I thought sinfield was pretty poor in the 1st half and went missing.

When sinfield was moved to hooker in 2nd half I thought he played really well and took control of the ruck which roby can't do.

IMO sinfield should start as hooker next week against kiwis.

Is Sinfield now England's best option in the key position on the field despite not playing the position (except in an emergency) in club football?

Sad times.

IMO he should start at 9 next week and put roby back on bench where he makes a impact.

Scott Moore ain't ready for this level yet IMO so sinfield the only option

from the squad selected, maybe.

Agreed. We don't have footballers playing at 9, we missed the trick there. Do you think David Waite knew something everyone else didn't when he selected Sinny there all those years ago?
To be honest I just think we need Sinfield with his hands on the ball as much as possible, and 9 seems to fit that as well as anywhere else. At club level it's not required because the team is built around him to begin with.

Roby made no impact today. There were no quick PTB's and no scoots from dummy half. He was basically a small forward playing with big forwards. He is not needed on the bench, move a half back to dummy half if needed for short spells.

Can I just say I like sinfield and think he is what Leeds are all about and in no way am I bagging him with what I'm about to say as I've praised him few times already in this topic.

IMO sinfield ain't suited or good enough to play loose at international level buy I think he could make a good hooker for England.

He can control the ruck, good in defence, good hands and very good kicking game which is what England is crying out for at hooker.

Before the backlash starts I think sinfield is Leeds main man and great captain and club man.

No backlash, you are entitled to a reasoned opinion.

In your post you have described the exact qualities we used to expect from a 13 before they all turned into just another smash and bang merchant.

Whereas I interpret the move as positive because Sinfield played well there (although I thought he had a decent first half as well, just forgot to kick, like the rest of England did!). I think to some degree it's irrelevant which position players play in their club games when it comes to internationals. Look at Eastmond. He's played centre before - but left centre. Today he played right centre. Then acting half back. He's played fullback and God knows where else. Being adaptable is useful at international level. Sinfield was good at hooker and so should play as hooker next week.

Roby, conversely, has not had a good season this year and to be honest I was surprised that Smith picked him, although he can give some zip to a game if he is spelled. But his passing has been consistently poor all year pretty much so the fact that some of his passes were dire today did not surprise me. Sinfield, though, looked like a renewed player in the second half and personally I'd like to see him like that again next week because England do need someone to guide them around, and he did that.

McGuire, however, shouldn't see any England shirt again. Nor for that matter should Roby. They both probably will because Smith is limited in his team available but neither were up to the mark today.

I agree they are the qualities of a loose forward and knew someone would ask me this but I don't feel sinfield makes the impact at 13 for England like he does for leeds.

I'm sure you Leeds fans would agree everything at Leeds has sinfield involved but for England he seems to go missing at loose.

Today when he went hooker it made huge diffrence to England and he started to show how he can play.

Like I said in my other posts on this topic I'm not bagging him as I really rate him at club level and would die for Leeds.