Great player Ellis but not at any price would sooner spend on young players, would have been nice but not that bothered really !!!

re: the pension comment a rhinos fan makes it a couple of pages back and similarly BrisbaneRhino (I think) realises what this thread has become.

If you didn't get him due to money then fine but to then say he wouldnt improve a back row of abblet, delaney and clarkson is daft. JJB is good granted but the others arent fit to lace his boots.

This thread has got a bit silly. People seem to reading 1 thing, and interpretting it as another.

I can't reacll anyone saying that the individuals of JJB, Delaney & Ablett are better, but that people are not dismayed at not signing Ellis because the 2nd row unit is strong and doesn't need improving.

My opinion is that whilst Ellis would doubtless improve the second row, I would wager that he'd be on twice the money of Delaney (the most likely to be replaced), and wouldn't come close to having twice the impact.

You live in Barnsley and support Hull - one of these would be excusable but one has to have been through choice.

Making bad choices is unavoidable - not learning form them is stupidity.

You were doing so well till you wrote this.
Do you actually watch Delaney with the ball in hand?
It's a standing joke amongst us that he makes more yards running backwards than he does forwards.



Seriously he's found his niche in the forwards, is he better than Ellis, no.
But he's now become a valuable Rhinos squad member who rarely makes mistakes or gives away daft penalties.

IMO Ablett is as good a Loose Forward as there is in Superleague and will only get better over the coming years and is the match of Ellis.

When Peacock signed for us at the age of 27 he was a great addition to an already great team.Gaz 31 still a great player Signing for Hull is nothing like JP signing for the club he wanted to play for his home city club

Delanney is a good player doing a good job Ablett is an outstanding player who does an outstanding job. Ablett is as good a back row forward as there is in SL - one of the reasons Sinfield has been able to move to six is because of the quality Ablett offers at 13.

I used those words but didn't mean he was just coming to wind down to retirement. I meant it is likely to be his last big money move so fair play to him for that. He's got to take care of his future. Having said that I hope they get their moneys worth out of him. Like most Leeds fans are suggesting it would have been good to get him on our terms but I wouldn't want us throwing silly money at what will be a 31-year old at the start of a 3 year contract. It's the opposition fans thinking they've pulled a fast one over us that makes me laugh. We had similar ramblings about Westermans move from Cas and who can forget how Huddersfield stitched us up over Gregg McNally?

Entirely agree (and with Gotcha) on this issue. (yuk)

Juan can't quote all the stats he likes but Delany is nowhere near as good a player and nowhere near as vital to Leeds as Ablett, IMO

That isn't a slight on Delaney's efforts, which have been excellent, but merely reflects how well I think Ablett has been playing.

Different players who offer different things to the team IMO.

Delaney is less subtle but perhaps more physical, while Ablett has a wider range of skills without losing too much in physicality.

Add in the prodigious work rate of a fit again JJB and it creates a very well balanced back row.

Some of the crap on the last 10 pages or so i've flicked through from some of you rhinos fans is pathetic.

You call yourself rugby fans, pfft. Categorize you into your own unique category as "leeds fans" whether it be football or rugby your all the same.

Some of the Leeds posters on here have a head on their shoulders, but by god a majority talk a load of crap.

Whether it's ambitions, or money, Ellis has signed for Hull. We've had a huge turn around from last season, they seems to be a totally different mentality, the backing from the owners, and the hard work/commitment from all the coaching staff is being reflected by the way our players are this season, they have fire in their bellies, they are fighting, our defense is the best in the league @ round 7. When the weather was poor we ground out results, when the weather like against widnes last week was fair, we hammered them and played some very attractive/attacking rugby, whilst having a defense as strong as anything.

Some of you rhinos posters talk about hull not having the pedigree to be a top 4 team, and ellis makes no difference is a load of bollucks, without ellis this season I think we have the potential to break the top 4, and I think come the end of the season you may find yourself out of the top 4!

Quick question what's your last few seasons final positions in the table? 5th and 4th? From previous seasons of finishing second or top, aren't you in decline?

If you think the final position of the table means everything fair enough, you should know like last season you can win
some silverware outside the top 4!

Hudders have been finishing higher, and in the top 4/5 recent seasons, but they ain't won !

You leeds fans are so fickle.

Anyhow, we'll be playing you in a few weeks time, can't wait.

FYI here's the current superleague table, 1 point behind you, we both have a game in hand! You'll be looking up soon.

Don't think anyone has said what your implying. The general gust is yes Ellis is a good player and would improve our SR but we already have a strong pack In this area and isn't a massive loss, the money could be spent elsewhere.

Not entirely confident in your statement that ablett isn't fit to lace Ellis boots though. Think we are getting a little carried away with the abilities of Ellis on this!!

well when you come to Headingley in your drunken foul mouthed hordes on july 6th swearing in front of mums with young kids .I hope you enjoy yourselves

While I don't agree with anything you have said I must congratulate you on one thing.

Your avatar is a real good likeness to the woman folk, and males in hull. Well done

Just a quick FYI - it's not the final League position the decides the Championship.

Wow, what a rant, makes no sense what so ever but Wow.

Are we in decline because we finished 4th & 5th the last 2 years, a quick look at this years table would suggest not. We won in 07, 08, 09 with virtually the same team. Of the 09 Grand Final team Donald, Senior, Diskin, Lauitiiti and Burgess have left and Smith returned but hasn't been the same player. Buderus and Eastwood came and went and McDermott took over a year earlier than planned with 2 of his major players out injured. We have also moved Sinfield from 13 to 6, Burrow from 7 to 9 and McGuire from 6 to 7. We've had plenty of change since 2009 and we still got to 2 cup finals, 1 Grand Final win and we were only 80 mins away in 2010. We have been and still are transitioning and still managed to do pretty well.

Well done Gotcha on finally getting one right, keep up the good work



Ablett filled the void left by Ellis and has never looked out of place

Just to even things out, I still don't agree with you on Delaney

Last time I looked there was an 8 page thread on your board about an ongoing decline in hull's attendances stretching back to 2006. Remind me what year you last won a trophy? Surely HFC fans wouldn't be so fickle as to abandon a team that's not winning?

It's all that rocking about on those trawlers. Addles the brain, dontcha know?

I'm sure if you check your recent history properly you'll see 07,08,09 GF WINNERS! 2010 Beaten CC finalists and losing play off semi finalists minus Peacock and Mcguire then 2011 Beaten CC finalists and GF winners.
Of course where we finsihed in the table really mattered NOT and saying yer the best defence after only 7 games means Fook all i remember all and sundry telling us what you lot were gonna do to the rest of SL when you signed Fitzgibbon ,"Baileys b##ch" O'meley ,Cyclops Long and that Pudding Luaki what happened there?
Thus far for 2012 WCC winners of course all that points to us in decline and points to you lot potentially finishing above us in the table this year!!!


Ellis is a great signing and will add quality to your mob but you've a long way to go before breaking through into the "Elite" in terms of winning GF's and consistantly been contenders.
However fickle you may say we are the Trophy Cabinet is doing just fine and talk of our decline and you rising to the top shows how thick as a Whale omlette you really are.
Enjoy your World class signing he'll do well imo but when Briscoe exits and you are still 6 quality players short then we'll see who's looking up.

Wow all that success has gone to your head, no wonder when the going get's tough your fans and players turn into big cry babies and get dirty!

As for Bailey, he's a thug, don't like it when he get's it back though when radders smashed him, he's such a thick b4stard, he wouldn't even know when he's been beaten!

I'll say no more.

Thanks