JP And Sinfield are all time RL greats and are hall of famers in waiting along with Adrien Morley.
McGuire and burrow are super league greats, (Mcguire was criminally overlooked for the atonal side)

JJB club great,

What it boils down too is everyones opinion of a player and how much you think they have given to your club and impacted it and imo JJB is a Leeds legend for his commitment, determination, selflessness and Success.

Fair point

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qualities for a good christian and covering 2 small half backs tackling but for a legendary 2nd rower (twice failed prop) how many clean breaks were made , how many big hits? picking best backrowers since 99 he would be behind morley, farrell, glanville, sinfield, lauititi, ward, , ellis, ablett , cuthbertson,


as i said generous, would struggle to put harris schoey and hanley as legends

should be for the pinnacles lewis jones, holmes , sinfield,,

Like I said that's your opinion and mine is JJB is a legend you might not appreciate what he's done on a rugby field but others might. And really Cuthbertson over JJB? not sure i agree with that.

I remember him for some stand-out moments, his pass to Smith in the 07 GF, his kick chase in the 08 WCC but mostly for his tireless and consistent effort, not all quality work is flashy. How many clean breaks or big hits did Peacock make? Very few. But he is also rightly a legend of not only Leeds but the sport.

Also you can’t genuinely put JJB behind Ellis, Ward, Ablett & Cuthbertson. Ellis only played for Leeds for 4 seasons, Ward has done nothing above JJB in his time so far, same for Ablett.

JJB is clearly a legend. Without players like him McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield don’t get to do the things they did. They all contributed in different ways to an outstanding team and period in the clubs history.

totally agree - without supporting players like JJB, Sinfield and his position(s) on the field have less impact.

It depends on your definition of 'legend' and how many players you want in that bracket. If you're talking top 5 or 10 players of all time JJB wouldn't be in many people's lists. If you're talking top 50 he might be in most.

The number is irrellevant if he's played a big part in the most successful part of your Clubs History then he's in whether tjat yakes your clubs legend list to 5 or 6 or 56.

Course the number is relevant, because its about how exclusive or otherwise you want a list to be. That's the whole point. YOUR view is that he should be in and therefore have a longer list, others think the term 'legend' should be mega-exclusive to maybe 5 players. Nobody is actually right or wrong because there's no agreed definition.

If you were to ask me (which you didn't) I'd say the 5 most important players in the club's history (in no particular order) would be Lewis Jones, Joe Thompson, Eric Harris, John Holmes and Kevin Sinfield. Each of those players dominated an era for the club and won things.

If you would put JJB ahead of them then that's your view and you're entitled to it, but to me he wouldn't be in the top 20 players in the history of the club (which predates SL by more than 100 years). He would maybe be in my top 50, but I probably wouldn't call top 50 'legends'.

Many supporters use Alex Simmon's definition of RL legend which appears to be anyone who has worn a RL shirt and bought him a pint. JJB is a loyal club player but not a legend by any stretch of the imagination.

in the clubs great era's there will always be players who will be mentioned when those Eras are talked about and names and memories handed down to people who have not seen them play.These players while not legends themselves deserve to be mentioned along side legends

The Golden Generation is in itself pretty much legendary. Within that context, the respective contributions may be judged by representation within those winning teams. JJB is right up there for me.

Utter tripe got f'all to do with how simmons uses it.

Ian Kirke immediately springs to mind

6 rings ! My god . Arthur Clues never won very much ,but he has legendary status and I never saw him play ,but the tales about him are legendary

Ian Kirke won 4 = I think - so what does that say?

Legend is about there quality as a player not what they have won

I didn't disagree on Kirke at all .that's why I mentioned Clues didn't win very much ,but definite club legend on Quality

For me the term legend is made up of many areas. A legend needs to have been at a club for a long period of time, have been a player of real quality, and have been someone who was instrumental in the success of the team. There aren't many players who can tick all the boxes. For me I don't think he was quite a good enough player to tick the middle box. He was effective and reliable and made the most of the talent he had with his attitude and dedication. He wasn't a standout player of his generation.

However, for me that puts him in a similar place as Burrow and McGuire

Really? He was solid in the GF wins, but never a standout. McGuire and Burrow played major roles in wins. As did Sinfield. In terms of impact in one or more GFs he'd be behind the likes of JP, Leuluai, Lauti'iti, Diskin, Ablett, Webb, Lee Smith, Donald, Senior and Hardaker. He'd be in any 17 'best of' team to reflect the era, and his contribution shouldn't be overlooked, but lets not pretend he was as influential as some others.

Every successful team has players fans like and the rest of the squad value highly both on and off-field. Some are lucky and play in very successful teams, others just don't (I'm thinking Roy Powell here for some reason, but Dave Heron and many others would qualify).

JJB has been this generation's Graham Eccles. He's a Leeds legend, and has been the heart and soul of the club as a whole for a decade.

Great video about JJB https://youtu.be/QOISQaTO210 Hope we can give him a great send off tomorrow

Great video about JJB https://youtu.be/QOISQaTO210 Hope we can give him a great send off tomorrow

Cracking video & tribute to another True Leeds Legend.

A great player & an even better human being.