Aren't you the character I took £50 off back in 2007?

I never said the best team had lost on any occasion. That was safeways saint and his ''mystery performance'' rubbish. Unless you can provide evidence of those posts I think you're wrongly accusing me. Funny you mention tad. After the wigan game at easter in 07 he posted along the lines of ''toopi.....just f*ck off''. Yeah, that's great support.

4th is a realistic expectation now and i think most would be happy with that because we can take out the title from there.

If that's what you see then you are living on another planet.

What is actually there is a bunch of fans who can't believe their team has performed the way it has over the last two matches. Most if not all Saints fans were expecting a mullering by you lot at Knowsley Road and we definitely did not expect to nil HKR - or anyone ever again. Our first half yesterday was played without one handling error and without one missed tackle. If we had converted all our tries, that first half would have been almost a technically perfect piece of RL AND beautiful to watch. Now there is no way I or most Saints fans would have believed that possible from Saints a couple of weeks ago. We were misfiring and had been for about 18 months, regardless of where we ended up in the league or that we stumbled to the GF thanks to a dodgy decision over a Longy haul into touch against Wigan.

The reason I said to back to back to back that the 'we beat you in three grand finals' just washes over our heads these days is because sometimes there are other things which are more important. And, just now, seeing my team perform in a way I was starting to think they never would makes me feel incredibly happy and I basically couldn't give a how many times you'd beaten us in a grand final. It no longer matters!

Isn't that nice? I think so.




We were league leaders in 2007 and 2008, so what's your point?

The latitude afforded to St Helens at the play the ball by Bentham yesterday was alarming. Only the other week in their game at The Stoop we had James Childs correctly insisting on an attempt being made with the foot as the current interpretation requires. The refs need to be singing from the same hymnsheet and I much prefer the latter.

St Helens destroyed Hull KR off the back of the quickest play the balls seen for some time. That isn't rugby league at it's finest to me.

why bring me into your petty arguement?
but as you did you consistently said saints were better than us and we would win fck all.

i mentioned you and that you had the same reaction to his posts as i did mate when he was posting as snake eater and playing down our performances and results whilst tugging over the Pies and Saints.

I'm glad he did, because I LOVE your new avatar!

Still want Potter out?

I'm firmly on the fence on that one. Two performances that resemble the Saints I know and love (whether they had been wins or losses) don't make a coach forgiven. Ask me again in a few months' time and I'll be able to hop off the fence on one side or the other.

You mean he dinged Leeds for not playing the ball correctly?

Very few SL players play the ball correctly. But personally I have no objection to that rule being enforced. Even if it had been yesterday, you would have still seen a quick PTB because both teams play that kind of RL. Justin Morgan has stated publically that he prefers two man tackles to gang tackles. Normally HKR play that kind of RL and can compete. But they are in a poor run of form just now and so although we played very well, we were made to look even better by HKR's poor performance.

As Leeds haven't played the Harlequins at the Stoop yet this season, I probably weren't referring to an incident/incidents involving my own club.

The game I had in mind was Harlequins V St Helens where James Child, correctly in my view, warned Louis McCarthy-Scarsbrook on several occasions (including a final warning on the run) and then penalised him on his next play the ball. The integrity of the play the balls in that game involving St Helens was far higher than the one I witnessed yesterday controlled by Phil Bentham.

I'd like to see the officials (especially the so called full time ones in SL) giving a consistent interpretation in this area. The roll back with the hand and step over with the foot removes yet another basic skill from the game and helps to distort the fair balance between the attacking and defensive aspects of the game IMO.

The big problem with the play of the ball is it's inconsistent sometimes giving penalties sometimes complete ingnoring it. Same with 2 feet level with the ref. It always annoys me because there is no consistency even during games with these decisions

Why did this hurt your feelings so much? I never played down our performances. I praised saints, but then they were worthy of the praise at the time. This seemed to really upset you and other posters because you can't stop going on about it.

Watch Terry Halibut next time he adjudicates a game – he very seldom checks the line while Thaler will often take a glance.

It’s the inconsistencies between them that makes it frustrating.

It didn't upset me at all,you claimed to be a Leeds fan yet played down our performances and was tugging over them,give a team fair praise/criticism by all means but you were in full "Phil Clarke" mode and knocking our team at the same time so don't deny it.

He was trolling but it backfired when Leeds came back to win the grand final and as per usual he had his ar5e handed to him.

If it didn't upset you then why do you bring it up everytime you disagree with me?

To remind you of the bollox you posted in the past when you come on here telling people to "get real" and stating with some kind of authority of where we will finish or can only finish when it clearly isn't the case.
You want to be pessimistic and put a downer on things fine but don't deny what you've posted before or give it the "get real" cr#p when you are picked up on it or disagreed with.

looks like you've got your answer either way

Hardly bollox though, was it? Praising saints when they went on 23 game ubeaten run and won a 3rd CC on the bounce. Yeah, how dare I do that, clearly bollox, thou shalt not praise another team.



It clearly is the case. Anyone with a brain will recognise, although it's mathematically possible, we probably won't finish above 4th.



Ah I get it. You didn't like my tone. Well you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. You think we can still finish above 4th, I don't. Agree to disagree?

why bring us into your arguement,havnt seen us saying we going to win this or that yet,we are just enjoying the improvement and seeing where it takes us.anyway guess we will a have a good idea where our season is heading when we play you nxt month.

This month methinks in less than a fortnight.

get it fukn up yies stevo is a saint get over it. can u no jst admit it leeds r e

So true & so eloquently put.

...and again but this time in English please?