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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The same bloke that is trying to get the "reserves" teams realigned again.
Strange he only does it when Leeds are struggling at that level.
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Sorry, obviously a dig at GH but otherwise lost on me.
Quote ="rhinoms"Imo this squad isn't as thin or as weak as you and some other's think we are 6 games in and top of the league without fielding a fully fit 1st choice 17 yet so what's that tell you???
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Leeds are one trophy down already on last season.
A 1st choice 17 won't be seen at Leeds all year now that Eastwood won't be coming.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Leeds are one trophy down already on last season.
A 1st choice 17 won't be seen at Leeds all year now that Eastwood won't be coming.'"
After being outplayed by the better team on the night and still not doing bad despite the player's missing.
You have your view's mate and i respect that fully but i honestly think the depth and quality are there!!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"After being outplayed by the better team on the night and still not doing bad despite the player's missing.'"
Something that also happened last Friday and arguably at Hull KR and Warrington but with Leeds finding a way out of a black hole with a fortunate the video ref was there moment at Craven Park and plenty of inept finishing by Wire.
Quote ="rhinoms"You have your view's mate and i respect that fully but i honestly think the depth and quality are there!!'"
I respect you for that but will have to disagree.
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| Quote ="G1"We're doomed. Doomed I tell ya!'"
Copy cat, I expect more originality from you sir.
Quite correct in your supposition though, we may as well consign this season to the bin like so many in the past.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"we may as well consign this season to the bin like so many in the past.'"
Who is suggesting Leeds do that?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Something that also happened last Friday and arguably at Hull KR and Warrington but with Leeds finding a way out of a black hole with a fortunate the video ref was there moment at Craven Park and plenty of inept finishing by Wire.
I respect you for that but will have to disagree.'"
Again i see the wire and hkr performances as good solid battles and our defence got us the points!!
There was no fortunate video decision at hkr the ball was clearly knocked on.
I could argue 1 of hkr's tries came from a penalty wrongly awarded by bentham.
As for the wire game our defence was awesome imo did wire bomb chances yes but our strong defence played a part in their mistakes and when we got the chance we put them away!
SIMPLES!!
I still love yer tvoc and i know where yer coming from but i see it differently!!
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| If we did decide to strengthen and buy an English SL player, who would be worth splashing the cash on ? (they would have to be better than we have or have the potential) and their club would have to be willing to sell.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"None of those players play in Wigan academy team, and none are forwards.'" I know and I know. But thanks for posting anyway.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Finishing second in each comp (bar the WCC) was a huge disappointment to me given the teams total dominance for much of 2004. A wasted opportunity with permitted funds left languishing in the bank.
SL Leeds are not SL Wigan.'" Still no direct evidence that spending equates to success.
What was the player turn-around in 2005 anyway? Note-able loss was Furner but Ellis was signed.
Adamson was lost but Amy joined the cheerleading squad that year.
Wayne MacDonald left early in the piece but a very large plank of wood was found lying beneath the Southstand.
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| Quote ="tvoc"2005 and 2006 weren't successful in my view and Leeds probably had cap space available in those seasons as well.
Have you seen the state of Inglis this season, he's turned into a bigger blimp then Eastwood.
I expect Leeds (or any Champion team) to not rest on their laurels if they want and expect to stay at the top. I'd expect any Leeds team to use their fullish cap allocation.
I'd expect the Eastwood situation to have been resolved far sooner than it was and Leeds now to be making a replacement happen. If Eastwood was required (and he was) why isn't a replacement needed?'"
Agreed. We shall see won't we....it will be very interesting.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"There was no fortunate video decision at hkr the ball was clearly knocked on.
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You've misunderstood me there.
It was a 'fortunate the video ref was there' moment not a fortunate decision. It was the correct call but had the game not been televised it would almost certainly have been given IMO. From that moment a Leeds comeback would have been a difficult ask.
Quote ="G1"I know and I know. But thanks for posting anyway.'"
You also know that Carmont was voted one of the two best centres in SL last season yet always fail to include him on Wigan's list of antipodean buys around that time.
Strange that.
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| Quote ="tvoc"
You also know that Carmont was voted one of the two best centres in SL last season yet always fail to include him on Wigan's list of antipodean buys around that time.
Strange that.'" Isn't it.
I suppose if you adopt a scatter gun approach to signings like they've done and many advocate we should you'll get one right eventually.
But if you're selective like us you'll get far more right than you get wrong.
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| Quote ="G1"But if you're selective like us you'll get far more right than you get wrong.'"
I've always thought Pat Richards has offered good value to Wigan once he'd settled in.
There's selective and then there's only signing Danny Buderus.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I've always thought Pat Richards has offered good value to Wigan once he'd settled in.
There's selective and then there's only signing Danny Buderus.'" We [isigned[/i Buderus [iand[/i Eastwood.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I've always thought Pat Richards has offered good value to Wigan once he'd settled in.
There's selective and then there's only signing Danny Buderus.'"
As a kicking winger who can play full back yes. As a winger who can play full back it would depend on what wedge he's getting. Would he compare favourably to Smith/Donald?
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| Quote ="finglas"Would he compare favourably to Smith/Donald?'"
As a winger, on the field yes and yes.
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| Quote ="G1"We [isigned[/i Buderus [iand[/i Eastwood.'"
This is wonderful news regarding Eastwood, when does he arrive?
After Hull lost the services of Michael Crocker (in similar circumstances and timing to Eastwood) they went out and managed to secure Sam Moa and Epalahame Lauaki and at least one of those has had his Visa approved and is over here and playing now.
Remind me who runs the Hull club?
If they can actively seek late signings to cover a disappointment, why can't Leeds? What have Hull got that Leeds haven't? Ambition?
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| Quote ="tvoc"This is wonderful news regarding Eastwood, when does he arrive?
After Hull lost the services of Michael Crocker (in similar circumstances and timing to Eastwood) they went out and managed to secure Sam Moa and Epalahame Lauaki and at least one of those has had his Visa approved and is over here and playing now.
Remind me who runs the Hull club?
If they can actively seek late signings to cover a disappointment, why can't Leeds? What have Hull got that Leeds haven't? Ambition?'" Ah, Hull are the shining example we should follow now. I see.
They have won the CC more recently than us, I'll give you that.
How did those lads play in Hulls defeat to Cas last weekend?
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| I do share the view that we are indeed one world class player down on what our coach had originally intended for the season.
If, as seems to be the case, there is little prospect of signing a player of similar class then the question becomes - 'can we get away with it for the season?'
Well we may - if as seems to be the case - the standards in the UK continue to stay at the current relatively low levels.
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| Quote ="G1"
Wayne MacDonald left early in the piece but a very large plank of wood was found lying beneath the Southstand.'"
We don't have a prop at the moment who can score a 70 yard try at Knowlsley Road..
Didn't Willie P retire as well? I can't remember. We also lost Diskin for most of that year with his knee. Not really left the club but really didn't recover form for 2-3 years.
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| Quote ="Dave Heron's Moustache"We don't have a prop at the moment who can score a 70 yard try at Knowlsley Road..
Didn't Willie P retire as well? I can't remember. We also lost Diskin for most of that year with his knee. Not really left the club but really didn't recover form for 2-3 years.'" No. Willie played 2005.
The large plank of wood actually showed good pace in training and its' marker defence was a million miles ahead of MacDonalds.
To be fair to the freakish lad he did give me one of my best ever moments at Knowsley Road that night. I watched that game in the pop stand surrounded by Saints fans.
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| Quote ="G1"Ah, Hull are the shining example we should follow now. I see.'"
In regards sorting out their squad I would argue it'd be a good place to start. Being pro-active beats throwing your hands up and saying what do you expect me to do guv'nor. What especially irks is their chairperson is known to our CEO.
Quote ="G1"They have won the CC more recently than us, I'll give you that.'"
And appeared in CC final more recent than Leeds also despite fielding an ineligible player in two early rounds. Quality work by the club there, turning a negative into a financial windfall.
Quote ="G1"How did those lads play in Hulls defeat to Cas last weekend?'"
Hull were second bottom last season and so far are equal top with Leeds this year. Cas on the other hand were rock bottom and are currently 6th having lost two games which they should have really won, so a big improvement there also on the back of some astute recruitment.
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| Whilst we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding the loss of Eastwood, and the untimely injuries to Smith and Bailey, it's fair to say that we could afford to have some more depth and quality to our squad, should we choose to do so.
It seems that GH is either unwilling or unable to prise the players that would improve our chances from their current clubs.
I'm not in favour of signing "anyone" to give players a rest etc, but I'm also not sure that we have "turned every stone" in our search for more firepower in either the front row or the centres.
I don't believe that with our current squad we have "no chance" of silverware this year, we have too much remaining quality for that, but I do believe that we could enhance our chances by signing a quality prop or centre.
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| Quote ="G1"No. Willie played 2005.
To be fair to the freakish lad he did give me one of my best ever moments at Knowsley Road that night. I watched that game in the pop stand surrounded by Saints fans.
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I also remember an amazing pass over the back of his head against the Bulls at Headingley that we scored off. Only ever seen ET do it before.
I guess if you are going to have a plank of wood, you may as well have a big one.
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