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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Q: Is a straight man calling another straight man a puff offensive to homosexuals?'"
Simple answer?
I dunno, I don't profess to speak on behalf of any group, no matter whgat their sexual orientation. I can only speak for myself and I personally wouldn't find offence.
Quote ="Fat Boy"P.S. I like what you did there
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Rugby league is a joke of a sport in this country.
Governing body pandering to an internet mob.
Worse bans for insults then injurying players.
If hardaker is banned on the basis of that video and without any corroberating evidence I'm not sure i can continue to follow the sport. Can't deal with this bullsh*t.'"
I said the exact same thing. If he's banned I'll turn my back on the game. Pathetic.
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| Quote ="meatpaste"I'm afraid that the RFL are now just mirroring GB as a whole.
You cannot say anything without offending someone and then it is taken to the extreme. For Pete's sake RL players knock 10 bell out of each other for 80 minutes and then all shake hands at the end. To be hauled over the coals for allegedly calling someone a puff on a rugby pitch is frankly PATHETIC and just because he was unlucky enough for it to be on TV. I think the RFL need a kick up the arris if they continue with these stupid citations. It makes the whole game look ridiculous.'"
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| Let's not forget as well if Zak decides he's had enough of all the abuse and is going to switch to RU to get away from it, those same numpties will be moaning that we're letting all our best players go.
I often think the biggest problem with RL is the fans
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| I don't mind if he's banned because the ref heard him say it. Would again be questionable about why the ref didn't take any action on field. I also doubt Silverwood hasn't heard that language before but can't recall in his 10+ years at this level ever reporting someone.
If a Saints player reported him.......well open up the floodgates and watch players get reported weekly. Likewise I doubt the Saints players haven't heard or used the possible language before on the pitch.
Leaves the tv fans who can't be sure what he said but because he's got previous it was to be likely "puff".....another way of looking at it is that because he's got previous he avoided using that word where as somebody who hasn't got previous might not.
People would really have to kid themselves if they don't think opposition players are using words like "f*g" and "puff" now towards him to wind him up......but out of sight out of mind. Perhaps the reason Hardaker blew a kiss towards Flanagan is because he called Hardaker a f*g to get a reaction. Even if he didn't it's only a matter of time until opposition players do if they haven't already.
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| Quote ="Sgy Loiner"I said the exact same thing. If he's banned I'll turn my back on the game. Pathetic.'"
Why would you walk away from the sport if he's found guilty of making homophobic comments?
Bulls fan in peace.
My take on it, I don't know what he said. I've no problem with him being investigated, I think it's good for Hardaker. If he's found not guilty then the case is out to bed. If he's found guilty then he should suffer the consequences.
It's not so much about the word he has POSSSIBLY used being massively offensive, or insulting people. I can't speak on behalf of others, but I don't think the gay community will be up in arms about it, the same as his previous ban.
BUT Zak Hardaker is a role model, he is a fantastic player. He is representing the sport in front of families, potential sponsors etc while people may not be offended by that, it does the sports reputation no good at all and companies may be put off being involved in RL.
Richard Keys and Andy Gray lost their jobs with sky, after years of service. I don't think the people the comments were made at ever made a complaint. But sky sacked them despite years of service because SKY's reputation is worth more than individuals.
The RFL have to investigate. IF he is found guilty then people can blame twitter and idiot supporters all their like, but Hardaker has no one to blame but himself. But that's IF he is found guilty!!
I agree I don't see how people can definitely 100% know what he said, but at the same time, people can't say 100% he didn't say the word pu** and that it's a witch hunt. A few of wanted him burning at the stake, but I think most have been it looks like it has said the word pu**.
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| A few hours now since this came to light, and the club have still not issued a statement backing their player despite the lad being persecuted in the press. Bit poor that.
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| Quote ="Bfd_Rhino"Let's not forget as well if Zak decides he's had enough of all the abuse and is going to switch to RU to get away from it, those same numpties will be moaning that we're letting all our best players go.
I often think the biggest problem with RL is the fans'"
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Why would you walk away from the sport if he's found guilty of making homophobic comments?
Bulls fan in peace.
My take on it, I don't know what he said. I've no problem with him being investigated, I think it's good for Hardaker. If he's found not guilty then the case is out to bed. If he's found guilty then he should suffer the consequences.
It's not so much about the word he has POSSSIBLY used being massively offensive, or insulting people. I can't speak on behalf of others, but I don't think the gay community will be up in arms about it, the same as his previous ban.
BUT Zak Hardaker is a role model, he is a fantastic player. He is representing the sport in front of families, potential sponsors etc while people may not be offended by that, it does the sports reputation no good at all and companies may be put off being involved in RL.
Richard Keys and Andy Gray lost their jobs with sky, after years of service. I don't think the people the comments were made at ever made a complaint. But sky sacked them despite years of service because SKY's reputation is worth more than individuals.
The RFL have to investigate. IF he is found guilty then people can blame twitter and idiot supporters all their like, but Hardaker has no one to blame but himself. But that's IF he is found guilty!!
I agree I don't see how people can definitely 100% know what he said, but at the same time, people can't say 100% he didn't say the word pu** and that it's a witch hunt. A few of wanted him burning at the stake, but I think most have been it looks like it has said the word pu**.'"
Because the only reason this has come to light is because of trial by social media. It seems every club in the comp now has professional lip readers who are 100% certain he said the word 'puff'. The game as a whole is pathetic now. Does anyone remember when Wigan played at Wheldon Road and someone in the crowd threw a banana on the pitch aimed at Henerson Gill, so he picked it up, peeled it, ate it and then chucked the skin back into the stand and laughed. Shame how different things are these days. Like someone else has already commented on here, I'll find it hard to still be in love with a sport as sad as RL.
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| Quote ="100% Wire"Leeds ones in particular
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Well if Leeds fans turn their backs on the game the Game will lose a large percentage of its following .
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Well if Leeds fans turn their backs on the game the Game will lose a large percentage of its following .'"
And absolutely nobody would cry a river.
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| Quote ="100% Wire"And absolutely nobody would cry a river.
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you might (and its a big might) then win a GF
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| Quote ="100% Wire"And absolutely nobody would cry a river.
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Except for pretty much every team in super league who would lose out in revenue. You think anyone would lose out in revenue if they went without your poxy clubs bus load?
No one would give 2 sh*ts.
No one gives 2 sh*ts about hardakers verbal, except for a bunch of stupid k unts on an interent forum.
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| So... if Zak is found guilty, Leeds Rhinos fans will abandon the sport completely.
Are the RFL taking note? Is that a risk worth taking?
*LOL* - Where's RL Meltdown?
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| I have watched the video a few times & i can say I haven't got a clue what Zak said.
The RFL should leave this be.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"A few hours now since this came to light, and the club have still not issued a statement backing their player despite the lad being persecuted in the press. Bit poor that.'"
Have the RFL actually said Hardaker is under investigation?
I thought they had just stated an incident is under investigation. Everyone seems to know its Zak that is the player concerned but if the RFL have not made that public maybe Leeds saying nothing at this stage is the correct thing to do.
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| Quote ="William Eve"So... if Zak is found guilty, Leeds Rhinos fans will abandon the sport completely.
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We'd be in good company, afterall you've abandoned the game in this country, right?
Better before super duper league? attendances declining? england rl worse than ever? sky's b*tches?
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| Quote ="The Magic Rat"Have the RFL actually said Hardaker is under investigation?
I thought they had just stated an incident is under investigation. Everyone seems to know its Zak that is the player concerned but if the RFL have not made that public maybe Leeds saying nothing at this stage is the correct thing to do.'"
It's a valid point. But these rumours have being ongoing since Saturday, Hardaker himself hit out earlier on twitter, and surely the club must know of that. They must know how low he is feeling. The club should have acted by now publicly., IMO of course.
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| I don't think the club should rush out a statement as soon as. They would be I imagine talking to the player, the RFL , looking at the video.
An immediate statement backing Hardaker will only lead to criticism from others and won't actually do anything to quell the baying mob, probably more fuel it.
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| Quote ="Sgy Loiner" Does anyone remember when Wigan played at Wheldon Road and someone in the crowd threw a banana on the pitch aimed at Henerson Gill, so he picked it up, peeled it, ate it and then chucked the skin back into the stand and laughed. Shame how different things are these days.'"
Many of us will remember similar incidents.
I can also remember seeing black men being referred to as Chalkie by knuckle-dragging "comics", watching a blacked-up Spike Milligan in "Curry & Chips" on TV too. Women barred from public bars, signs in lodgings stating: "No dogs, gyp[is[/iies or blacks"
Fortunately the vast majority of the population have moved on from those days, I suggest you try at least catching up with them
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| So it was remarked about by Sky commentators after a try was scored and they discussed it during the game and it drew the attention of the RFL? So if the game was not televised nothing would be investigated
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"So it was remarked about by Sky commentators after a try was scored and they discussed it during the game and it drew the attention of the RFL? So if the game was not televised nothing would be investigated'"
Yes, it's a bit like: if you decided to knock one out in the privacy of your bedroom, you would be fine. If you decided to do similar in the middle of Briggate on a Saturday afternoon, there would probably be unwelcome consequencesd
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| next time he should chicken way flanagans knee, maybe cause a career ending injury. nobody will think the worse of him and he may get a 3 game ban.
but blow a kiss on the otherhand............................................................
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Yes, it's a bit like: if you decided to knock one out in the privacy of your bedroom, you would be fine. If you decided to do similar in the middle of Briggate on a Saturday afternoon, there would probably be unwelcome consequencesd'"
Last time I was on Briggate I doubt anyone would understand me and I am not xenophobic either
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| Quote ="tad rhino"next time he should chicken way flanagans knee, maybe cause a career ending injury. nobody will think the worse of him and he may get a 3 game ban.
but blow a kiss on the otherhand............................................................'"
Surely it's way past your bed time with school in the morning?
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