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| Quote ="Richie"If the league continues it's progress in establishing parity, we're only going to win an average of half our games. Is that going to see attendances crashing?'" A pertinent point.
I know the markets are not entirely comparable but in the NFL parity does not mean lower attendances. In fact, the biggest attended team in the league for years have not been champions for 18 years.
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| Quote ="G1"A pertinent point.
I know the markets are not entirely comparable but in the NFL parity does not mean lower attendances. In fact, the biggest attended team in the league for years have not been champions for 18 years.'"
Redskins?
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| Quote ="Swarcliffe Rhino"Redskins?'" Yes. They avarage about 88,000 a home game and often sell out at 91,000+ despite being a team that goes from average to awful to OK.
Still, next year the Cowboys will have a bigger stadium making them the worst team in the league with the biggest crowds.
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| Quote ="G1"Yes. They avarage about 88,000 a home game and often sell out at 91,000+ despite being a team that goes from average to awful to OK.
Still, next year the Cowboys will have a bigger stadium making them the worst team in the league with the biggest crowds.'"
Americas team my ar*e.
Patriots all the way. 68.000+ average not too shabby. [size=59(for 15th place )[/size
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| Quote ="Swarcliffe Rhino"Americas team my ar*e.
Patriots all the way. 68.000+ average not too shabby. [size=59(for 15th place
)[/size'" We used to have a dedicated NFL thread on here and fans from all sites would visit.
Then Oldham Rhino threw his teddies out of the pram and got it moved to the other Sports forum.
I've shown him though, I rarely go and post on it.
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| Dont we have a reduced capacity in the South Stand?
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| Quote ="payney"Dont we have a reduced capacity in the South Stand?'"
Would only really matter as the only game close to capacity has been the wigan one, and was still a way off
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| Quote ="Swarcliffe Rhino"Americas team my ar*e.
Patriots all the way. 68.000+ average not too shabby. [size=59(for 15th place
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They cant actually have a bigger average because its been sold out for the last 7+ years every game cant complain apart from they should have made the stadium bigger
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| Quote ="Richie"If the league continues it's progress in establishing parity, we're only going to win an average of half our games. Is that going to see attendances crashing?'"
It depends how that parity is reached. If the team (and I include everyone from the Chairman down to the Academy set up) gives 100% win, lose or draw and the lower half teams have caught up rather than the top half teams getting dragged down then I would hope and expect the genuine fans to stay committed.
What is happening over at Odsal is a concern, although arguably more of a concern for them rather than for the league as a whole. In my view they are returning to what they have historically been which is an unfashionable outfit, playing in an unfashionable stadium where 'Bullmania' was the blip.
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| Quote ="G1"Then Oldham Rhino threw his teddies out of the pram and got it moved to the other Sports forum. '"
I can't ever imagine that happening, that must be a figment of your imagination!
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| what about the increase in prices to £20 a game? that must have a bit of effect also for the supporters who go to individual games.
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| Quote ="jimmyv001"what about the increase in prices to £20 a game? that must have a bit of effect also for the supporters who go to individual games.'"
Its a lot of money. Although Bradfords are only £17, and its not helped their attendance much
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Its a lot of money. Although Bradfords are only £17, and its not helped their attendance much'"
That's because bradford are crap.
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| Quote ="tvoc"It depends how that parity is reached. If the team (and I include everyone from the Chairman down to the Academy set up) gives 100% win, lose or draw and the lower half teams have caught up rather than the top half teams getting dragged down then I would hope and expect the genuine fans to stay committed.
What is happening over at Odsal is a concern, although arguably more of a concern for them rather than for the league as a whole. In my view they are returning to what they have historically been which is an unfashionable outfit, playing in an unfashionable stadium where 'Bullmania' was the blip.'"
Unfortunately that's what appears to have happened as I have argued many, many times.
Wigans current average is 14,105 as against last seasons 14,505
although it is not on a team v team basis, and does not include the Magic weekend, a 2.8% drop.
On alike for like (removing Celtic) then it's a 4.6% drop
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
Wigans current average is 14,105 as against last seasons 14,505
although it is not on a team v team basis, and does not include the Magic weekend, a 2.8% drop.
On alike for like (removing Celtic) then it's a 4.6% drop'"
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Leeds:
[iLast year average (13 games) - this year's average (6 games) -12%
First six home fixtures 2008 - First six fixtures 2009 -12%
By opponent (slightly better at -7%): None to compare to Celtic and Salford.
Wakefield -11%
Les Catalans -5%
Wigan -6%
Harlequins -4% [/i
It appears Wigan's crowds are holding up better than Leeds' to this point then while St Helens surge forward on the back of an off season promotion drive.
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| There are many reason for the decline in attendence, firstly weather such as the game against Celtic i am sure people did not come because of how cold it was, it has rained. Secondly the quality of rugby has not been great. The price rise which considering the current economic climate was a mistake people have to cut back rising unemployment. This also effects the number of away supporters. It will be interseting if it gets warmer will gates rise. We are not the only club suffering, look at Northern 7000 on Sunday. I believe GH will have to cut prices next year.
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| Leeds Rhinos 28 - 6 Celtic Crusaders 14,827
Leeds Rhinos 18 - 4 Wakefield Trinity 15,643
Leeds Rhinos 34 - 10 Wigan Warriors 17,677
Leeds Rhinos 42 - 14 Catalans Dragons 13,425
Leeds Rhinos 20 - 30 Salford City Reds 14,381
Leeds Rhinos 4 - 21 Harlequins 13,912
Considering the teams we have played, i think the crowds have been o.k so far this season. We have played all of the lesser supported clubs and have the traditionally bigger crowd pullers such as Bradford, Saints and the Hull sides to come.
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| Leeds : SL Regular Rounds, Home, Attendances
Comp - Year - Aggregate - No Of Games - Average - % +/- On Previous Year
SL 1 - 1996 - 94,395 - 11 - 8,581 -
SL 2 - 1997 - 120,978 - 11 - 10,998 - +28%
SL 3 - 1998 - 133,801 - 11 - 12,163 - +11%
SL 4 - 1999 - 202,232 - 15 - 13,482 - +11%
SL 5 - 2000 - 177,435 - 14 - 12,673 - =red-6%
SL 6 - 2001 - 180,330 - 14 - 12,880 - +2%
SL 7 - 2002 - 170,193 - 14 - 12,156 - =red-6%
SL 8 - 2003 - 179,844 - 14 - 12,846 - +6%
SL 9 - 2004 - 224,390 - 14 - 16,027 - +25%
SL 10 - 2005 - 238,169 - 14 - 17,012 - +6%
SL 11 - 2006 - 219,478 - 14 - 15,677 - =red-8%
SL 12 - 2007 - 228,259 - 13 - 17,558 - +12%
SL 13 - 2008 - 221,555 - 13 - 17,042 - =red-3%
SL 14 - 2009 - 89,865 - 6 - 14,977 - =red-12%
It will be interesting to see the figures come the season end but to this point the 12% fall is entering uncharted territory for the club in the SL Era.
Edit: The 2003 data was incorrect as I erroneously included the 'On The Road' fixture V Salford played in Gateshead. Amended now so sorry about that.
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| like others have said,all the clubs,wigan apart,with big travelling support are yet to come. i suspect the average will be slightly down at the seasons end but put this down to people not being able to afford to come to games
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| TVOC..
Can you put the home game results (W/D/L) for each season on that last list so we can see how it affects the attendances please ?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Leeds : SL Regular Rounds, Home, Attendances
Comp - Year - Aggregate - No Of Games - Average - % +/- On Previous Year
SL 1 - 1996 - 94,395 - 11 - 8,581 -
SL 2 - 1997 - 120,978 - 11 - 10,998 - +28%
SL 3 - 1998 - 137,923 - 12 - 11,493 - +4.5%
SL 4 - 1999 - 202,232 - 15 - 13,482 - +17%
SL 5 - 2000 - 177,435 - 14 - 12,673 - =red-6%
SL 6 - 2001 - 180,330 - 14 - 12,880 - +2%
SL 7 - 2002 - 170,193 - 14 - 12,156 - =red-6%
SL 8 - 2003 - 179,844 - 14 - 12,846 - +6%
SL 9 - 2004 - 224,390 - 14 - 16,027 - +25%
SL 10 - 2005 - 238,169 - 14 - 17,012 - +6%
SL 11 - 2006 - 219,478 - 14 - 15,677 - =red-8%
SL 12 - 2007 - 228,259 - 13 - 17,558 - +12%
SL 13 - 2008 - 221,555 - 13 - 17,042 - =red-3%
SL 14 - 2009 - 89,865 - 6 - 14,977 - =red-12%
It will be interesting to see the figures come the season end but to this point the 12% fall is entering uncharted territory for the club in the SL Era.'" Thats interesting. Under Smith's regime we saw increased attendances in 3 of his 4 seasons, including 2 of the 3 largest increases in the Sl era. 2007 is especially interesting as some on here with an agenda will tell you we played terribly most of that year and only won it when Smith announced his departure.
Was the reduction in 2006 (the only year the fans didn't flock to see Smith's teams) the year the Carnegie Stand was under construction?
Anyway, noticeable that the fans seem to be voting with their feet with the fare served up by "Leeds Greatest Ever Coach"*
*Courtesy Eccleshill Rhino
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| Quote ="G1"Thats interesting. Under Smith's regime we saw increased attendances in 3 of his 4 seasons, including 2 of the 3 largest increases in the Sl era. 2007 is especially interesting as some on here with an agenda will tell you we played terribly most of that year and only won it when Smith announced his departure.
Was the reduction in 2006 (the only year the fans didn't flock to see Smith's teams) the year the Carnegie Stand was under construction?
Anyway, noticeable that the fans seem to be voting with their feet with the fare served up by "Leeds Greatest Ever Coach"*
*Courtesy Eccleshill Rhino'"
Yes it was.
I would say dips in 2008 & 2009 are mainly because of non team factors I would say. Although some would stay away from poor form too
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| Slightly off topic, but i thought there was no repeat fixtures this season given the increase of teams in super league ??? Why on earth are we still playing repeat fixtures ??? The one's I can see are Catalans 3 times, Saints 3 times and Hull FC 3 times !!?? I thought the days of a 'false' league table were behind us..... bloody stupid RFL.
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| Quote ="rpw"Slightly off topic, but i thought there was no repeat fixtures this season given the increase of teams in super league ??? Why on earth are we still playing repeat fixtures ??? The one's I can see are Catalans 3 times, Saints 3 times and Hull FC 3 times !!?? I thought the days of a 'false' league table were behind us..... bloody stupid RFL.'"
I'm not sure which fixture list you are looking at, but we only play Catalans 3 times
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| Quote ="rpw"Slightly off topic, but i thought there was no repeat fixtures this season given the increase of teams in super league ??? Why on earth are we still playing repeat fixtures ??? The one's I can see are Catalans 3 times, Saints 3 times and Hull FC 3 times !!?? I thought the days of a 'false' league table were behind us..... bloody stupid RFL.'"
testimonials and challenge cup ties are not super league games
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